Victorious Eschatology: The Rapture Part II

     If you read “Victorious Eschatology: The Rapture Part I” you realize that the authors of the book “Victorious Eschatology” paint a picture of the Rapture as second fiddle to the Church rising to glory through human effort to overcome what they call “The Seven Mountains.” Though the term “Seven Mountains” is not used in the book, their book is the heartbeat of dominion theology which is in part what they must accomplish before Jesus can return. If you understand the partial preterist position, it becomes clear that the Second Coming of Jesus is contingent upon the Church completing this task. Not until after the church subdues Satan’s kingdom and the world system will Jesus return.

     The core to which all Eschatological Views experience heated debate is over the timing of the Rapture. Looking at the Partial preterist timing of the rapture they closely resemble the post-tribulation view of the rapture with one exception. The partial preterist do not see a future seven year tribulation period known as Daniels Seventieth Week. An excerpt from the book “Victorious Eschatology” states:

“Partial preterists understand that Jesus will continue to build His Church, and although Christians will face many trials and setbacks, they will experience more successes than failures. This progressive building will continue until the “last day,” a day that only God knows. On that day, without any warning signs, Jesus Christ will return in the clouds and every eye will see Him. All believers-living and dead-will be “caught up” to meet Him as He returns. In this rapture Christians will not be taken away to heaven for seven years. They will be “caught up,” much as a hen would gather her chicks under her wings. Jesus will protect His people while He purges the earth of evil, then bring the believers down to earth with Him. For this reason we make the distinction earlier that the Greek word harpazo is more accurately translated “caught up” rather than “caught away.” Christians will not be taken away into heaven, but they will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and then quickly descend with Him back to earth to rule and reign with Him.” (Victorious Eschatology: p. 303)

     Now let me interject a little here. No matter what your eschatological view, God will accomplish and complete the prophetic scripture exactly as it is written, rather we understand it all or not. If you read the book “Victorious Eschatology” they believe that all prophetic events contained in Daniel and the Revelation have been completed in A.D. 70 when general Titus plundered Jerusalem killing millions of Jews and destroyed the city with the Temple. However, there are serious inconsistencies and contradictions in the book. As you read through the book you will also realize that they also teach that the book of Revelation is progressive, it has been unfolding and being fulfilled throughout church history and it will end with Satan’s kingdom being diminished, the kingdoms of the world being subdued and brought under the control of the church. I don’t know about you, but this sounds a lot like a state religion, and if you ever study church history, every state religion in church history has been very oppressive, persecuting and killing any who will not succumb to its authority. Secondly, while they will take some of the Red Letter literally, all of the prophetic text are spiritualized and a different meaning is portrayed altogether. They basically create a story line out of prophetic text formulating a view contrary to what Scripture teachers, it is a farfetched theory, a myth.

     As I said above, the timing of the rapture has been the most heated debate in the last century. There is however one common thread that every view I have studied agree upon, Partial Preterist included. When Jesus returns, he will first rapture the church from the earth and gather His elect unto Himself in the air. Then upon His return, after He has “caught up” the church he will judge the earth, all of mankind remaining will experience His Wrath. The argument which still remains is, when will Jesus return to rapture the church and initiate His Wrath? Because we are focused on the Partial Preterist View, I will answer that question in an article called “Victorious Rapture” after this series is finished. According to the authors of “Victorious Eschatology” the rapture is still future, and cannot be predetermined, nor does Scripture give any hint or detail as to when other than at such time the church has “made herself ready.” One thing is clear, to the Partial Preterist, no seven year tribulation is in view, nothing prophetic has to be fulfilled other than the churches mandate to continually grow until it is the predominant religion on the earth. I hope you have more sense and biblical root within you than to believe this lie.

“Futurist also teach their doctrine of a seven-year-long tribulation by tying Matthew 24 and Daniel 9:24-27 into their doctrine of a seven year long Great Tribulation. In section 1 we explained how the tribulation described in the Olivet Discourse was fulfilled in the first century. In section 3 we explained how Daniel’s seventieth week was also fulfilled during the first century. Other than those passages there is no Bible verse which futurists can use to build their doctrine of a future seven year long period of tribulation. Once we understand these passages in their historical contexts, we realize that there is no biblical basis to believe in a future Great Tribulation.” (Victorious Eschatology pp. 253-254)

     Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; and Revelation 13:1-10 are dealing with the same thing, the Abomination of Desolation. Most agree that this occurs at the mid-point of Daniels 70th week and is still to come in the future. It is my view as I understand the Scripture that the Abomination of Desolation is the single event which initiates the Great Tribulation (Matt. 24:15,21). This Tribulation will be a time of great persecution, first against national Israel, then against the church, God’s elect. It is at the end of this period of great tribulation we see Christ returning in the clouds to gather together His elect, what we call the rapture (Matt. 24:30-31. What Harold R. Eberle and Martin Trench do is remove the abomination of desolation altogether, hence, no Great Tribulation, no antichrist. Let me show you.

“Futurist also like to associate the antichrist with the person mentioned in Daniel 9:27, who put an end to sacrifice and grain offering. The antichrist is never mentioned in Daniel 9, and as we discussed in section 3 (pages 111-115), it is more accurate to understand that Jesus is the One who put a stop to sacrifices and grain offerings.” (Victorious Eschatology pp.2750276)

Now let’s back up to page 112 and I want to show you how they quote Daniel 9:27 and how they insert Jesus into the text. This is their quote:

“And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering.” Daniel 9:27

     They go on to say in their book that the 70th week of Daniel follows immediately after the sixty-ninth week when Messiah is cut off. They place the beginning of the 70th week in the year A.D. 27 when Jesus began His public ministry, three and one half years before He gave His life on the cross, according to them. Here again is their quote and it shows how they place Jesus in Daniel 9:27.

“If we say that the year A.D. 27 is the beginning of Daniel’s seventieth wee, then we must explain how God fulfilled the words of Gabriel when he said, ‘in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering.’ Partial preterist teachers say tat the “he” spoken of in this verse is Jesus Christ, not the antichrist. In the preceding two verses (Dan. 9:25,26), the Messiah was the main subject, and therefore it is reasonable to think that in the next verse “he” refers to the Messiah.” (Victorious Eschatology p. 114)

Now I’m going to re-quote Daniel 9:27 so you can see what these men have done.

Daniel 9:27 NKJV

“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.”

     Do you see the difference, they only quoted half of the verse in their book. Why? Most likely because they know that people are generally too lazy to open their bibles and look for themselves, and when you read a book, your defenses are down and you absorb and except what is being said as truth. Secondly and most importantly, they leave out the second half because it identifies “the prince who is to come” who shall destroy the city and the sanctuary mentioned in Daniel 9:26. The Messiah is not the only figure mentioned in the text. It is the “Prince” or the “little horn” (Daniel 7:8) who makes desolate. It is the “Prince who is to come” we find in verse 27 who will bring an end to sacrifice and offering, not Jesus. Do you see how they change the text, and how dangerous it is to do so? Do you see how deceptive they are as they attempt to introduce a doctrine differing and opposing Christian orthodoxy? And by doing so, they are able to change the timing of the rapture. As I will show you in the next article, the rapture is placed at the end of the Great Tribulation, not at the end of the 70th week, but the end of the Great Tribulation. As I will show you, The Great Tribulation is cut short by the appearing of Jesus Christ to rapture the church.

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6 thoughts on “Victorious Eschatology: The Rapture Part II

  1. to -Closing stages- you must have no idea that the word antichrist is mentioned 4 times in the bible and not one time in revelations, all 4 times are in 1st and 2nd John, and it does not say anything about being who you put him out as, it says the SPIRIT of the ANTICHRIST not a person, and it says that it is in the world as of johns time

  2. Josh, I’m not in agreement with Harold, he uses an allegorical method of interpretation which turns prophecy into a story line bed time story. All OT prophecy concerning Christ’s first coming, his birth, life, death, resurrection and exaltation was fulfilled exactly as it was recorded in Scripture. Why is it that many believe He won’t fulfill NT prophecy exactly as it is written? He will, not one jot or tittle will pass away until all is fulfilled exactly as it is written. All one has to do is read and understand words, not turn words into a story. To much of prophecy has been miss handled by these men and they will answer to the Lord for it. Yes Jesus is the way to the Father, but there is till much to be fulfilled concerning Israel, and the coming Antichrist, Daniel’s 70th week, the great tribulation, etc. These are yet future! Not past!

  3. If I’m not mistaken, Harold explains the second part of this verse [“And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.”] to be the destruction of Jerusalem and all it’s inhabitants. This occurred around 70AD. BTW, Jesus DID put an end to sacrifice and grain offerings! Before Him, the only way to God was to sacrifice grains and animals. After Christ’s resurrection, Jesus became The Way to our Father. Jesus death was the new covenant!!! Pretty cool stuff there!

    Also, check out Harold Eberle’s video series on Vimeo. He explains things in a biblical context there pretty well. I think the Victorious Eschatology starts with video “Session 20” http://vimeo.com/6089477

  4. I am no great theologian, but I know that “verses” in the bible were made later on. They were not in the original. So how can you say they left out half the verse of daniel 9:27, and attribute it to heresy, when they simply stated one sentence? Could it be that the verse labeling is a little misleading, and that the next sentence is stating something different? I dont hold to “victorious eschatology” but I am now in search of truth. And so far this offers no proof that “victorious esch”. is wrong. You also attribute the eschatology to “this sounds a lot like a state religion,”… and then rant about state religion. But I would love to hear facts.. not ravings on subjects of what it “sounds like”.

    Please respond, as i would love to read anything else about Daniel 9:27 and anything else. Thanks so much!

  5. I know little about eschatology as compared to some. But I have got to say that the arrogance and total lack of concern for truth by “lying by omission” in not quoting a the complete verse (Daniel 9:27) should be enough to give anyone pause and concern to step back and take a much closer look into what is really being taught here. Once you do it’s obvious that there is error after error in this supposed doctrine/book on end times. The most appalling thing is that they insert Jesus Christ into this scripture and when you read the verse in its entirety, it then says that Jesus is the one who comes “on the wing of abominations.” This alone should be enough to make one take a serious look at the authors and their teachings, when they place Christ in this verse.
    This appears to be what 2 Peter 2:1 speaks of damnable heresies and the unfortunate thing is in verse 2 it says that MANY will follow.
    2 Peter 2:1-2 ” But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways ; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. ”
    The most difficult thing is that we all know many who are being swallowed up by this deception and in order to sound the alarm and try and rescue some …(it becomes a mission field in its own right) it’s more like swimming with sharks through dark murky waters and at times it’s hard to identify the sharks because they are all smiling at you with a sparkling white toothy grin!
    That’s my rant!…..excellent article.

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