SWAPPING ONE LIE FOR ANOTHER PART 2

Quotes from: “Strange Fire Conference”, “God’s Plan for Giving “part 2, “Abusing the Poor” and “Widows in the Church” part 1 by John MacArthur

 

The simplest way to put this is to compare what John MacArthur says and teaches and then compare that to the Word of God. This is not expository preaching, if one reads the scriptures that he is quoting and then listens to his meaning of it; it becomes clear that he is not following the Biblical standards he, himself proclaims to follow.

image“Abusing the Poor” sermon video 1 mark 8:31 “The third option is, that the true measure of any gift is the attitude with which you give it. Is it selfless, humble, surrender, expressing love for God, devotion to God and trust in God?….. The widow we are told, had the least left behind, gave the highest percentage and must of had the best attitude.”

imagevideo 19:14 mark “and all of these and combinations of all of these(referring to ALL the commentators and their interpretation of this scripture) have been defended, by virtually all those who write on this text. Teachers have waxed eloquent on all of them. Now at this point I will confess to you that in spite of the popularity of these views, in spite of the universality of these views, none of these explanations makes any sense to me, none. In fact all of those interpretations are imposed on the text. And you know how I feel about imposing things on the Bible text. Not good.

Quote from Strange Fire Conference “Testing the spirits” session:

image“And when Jesus saw the widow put in her last mite into the temple offering…..He said this temple is going to come down, not one stone will be left on another. I don’t know what you have been taught about that story about the widow giving her last two cents. That was NOT an example of Christian giving. God doesn’t expect you to give your last two cents and go home and die. That’s what happens to a widow who is suckered by a religion of works. She was trying to buy, with her last two cents, her way into the kingdom; because that’s what she’d been taught. And Jesus said any system that sucks people down to the place where they have nothing left, in a false hope is coming down and it did.”

Quote from “God’s Plan for Giving” part two:

image“so he calls his disciples and I say unto you the poor widow has cast more in than ALL they who have cast into the treasury. You say wait a minute, that’s no big deal; for all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want, did cast in all the she had, even all her living. You say how did he know that? He knew everything. She only had an eighth of a penny left and she gave it. Wow, you say it’s not very significant, it won’t do very much. It was significant because she gave everything friends and you can’t give anymore than everything. The point that Jesus’ is making is this, that, that is sacrifice and that is the essence of giving and the ultimate sacrifice would be to give everything. The least money was the greatest gift. What does this teach us about giving? Does this teach us to tithe? No. It teaches us that we are to give sacrificially and maybe that means everything we have. Certainly it means more than we are giving now and I say that for myself as well.”

Quotes from “Widows in the Church” Part 1

image“Truly I say to you, this poor widow has cast in more than all they who have cast into the treasury, for all they did cast in of their abundance but she ever want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.” And here we see the godliness and the devotion of this dear woman who having nothing gave it all. That’s the spirit of generosity in the heart of one devoted to the worship of God.”

Really trying to keep this short and to the point. Simply comparing what he says in these three sermons it is apparent that he is teaching error. Note also that all of these are still on his website as teaching tools and wrote a book on “God’s Plan for Giving”  Which means he is still teaching both accounts of from this scripture.

I don’t know if the quote he makes at the Strange Fire Conference, about the widow is in his Strange Fire book or not, I will not purchase it to find out.  He has written over 150 books, including his own “Study Bible” and one has to wonder, in his footnotes and commentaries, which version of the widow, saved or lost, deceived or devoted he presents? And which Jesus he presents, the one who commends the widow on her sacrificial giving, or the one who is immensely displeased and angered by her actions of giving all she had to a false religious system that she was deceived by?

8 thoughts on “SWAPPING ONE LIE FOR ANOTHER PART 2

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  2. In John MacArthur’s latest video update “What has happened after the Strange Fire Conference,” he makes it clear that there are only two “revivals” going on today, the Reformed and the Charismatic camps. He downplays what he considers to be the lesser body of Christ (the smaller churches and denominations that aren’t involved in his agenda). He calls them the “generic landscape”, “nominal”, more “devotional” with no real “exegeses.” He goes onto say that they are “devotional/psychological” and if anyone takes the time to look at what John teaches concerning psychology, we can get a clear understanding he places these nominal/generic churches in with teaching error. He goes onto say these churches “aren’t notable, they aren’t in the limelight, they aren’t distinguished, they aren’t part of any great movement. You might say they are neither Charismatic nor Reformed. They’re not a part of the two revivals or the two great movements that are going on in evangelicalism today.”
    “There’s a generic landscape out there and when you drive down the street you pass THOSE KINDS OF CHURCHES. It may be Baptist churches or Presbyterian churches or Methodist churches or Independent churches or whatever. They’re not a part of either of those kinds of things. Just the generic landscape of churches. I guess you could say they are a bit marginal, they have representatives in the media; some of the older men who teach the Bible some of the older preachers you might see on TV. But apart from that sort of generic landscape, which in itself is not a movement and tends to be more devotional in its preaching. Devotional in its theology. Tends to be almost, sort of devotional slash psychological. Where pastor’s are talking about people’s needs and the issues of life and how to feel good about your life and how to trust God with your life. There’s not a lot of theology , there’s virtually no real serious exegeses of scripture; but it’s just that generic landscape out there and there are Christian people in that BUT it doesn’t go anywhere. There would be many, many churches like that.

    Luke 14:8-11 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honorable man than thou be bidden of him; And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. But when thou art bidden go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. For whosoever exaltheth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
    Below is a quote from a brother in Christ that defines well the condition of most of Christendom today.

    “It almost seems that much of present day American Evangelicalism has so departed from the simplicity of the genuine Gospel of Christ… at its very core…Preaching Christ and Him Crucified! And because of this we now see a plethora of other gospels that pervades the very fabric of U.S. Evangelicalism on an unprecedented scale. On a scale that has quite conveniently circumvented the Cross and its inherent rejection, persecution and many varied sufferings that are inescapable if in fact we are to follow after Christ in earnest, …above and beyond any other celebrated Evangelical leaders influence… I believe one of the greatest indications of this fact is how we see in present day U.S. Evangelicalism the flagrant sin of Idol Worship… knowingly or unknowingly paying obeisance to our favorite Pastor, Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Evangelist rather than worshipping the Head of the Church namely Christ Himself… It would appear that much like the world has done… American Evangelicalism has evolved into hosting its own set of Idolatrous expressions… namely hero worship or the exultation of celebrated Evangelical leaders whether they be fundamentalist or Pentecostal/Charismatic. We see this exhibited on so many different fronts that have resulted in the vast majority of U.S. Evangelicalism losing sight of what the genuine Gospel of Christ even means anymore.
    On a separate note I would agree that an all too frequent problem that occurs whenever any Brother or Sister in Christ has had their eyes opened to the gross deception that they have found themselves involved with… to especially include the NAR Dominionist movement… that the temptation becomes very great to run in the opposite direction only to find themselves entrapped in yet another spiritual deception that is awaiting them at the other end of the spiritual spectrum…”
    John MacArthur claims to be heading the GREATEST REVIVIAL in the history of the Church.
    Quote: “At the same time you have these two very dynamic movements going on. One of them is the resurgence of Reformed theology and that’s the greatest revival in the history of the Church, clearly. Based on media.”
    “You have lived to see reformed theology, literally arrive from Heaven; like an alien invasion, and just land everywhere on the planet and this is a massive, massive movement. That is being fueled all over the world by media, by electronics. by the internet”
    “Bible exposition , theological Bible exposition, with a reformed view is circling the planet, we get that, we understand that and that’s our heritage.”
    “We like dead people, we like people who have been dead a long time. We revere them, we honor them, we read them. We love the puritans, we even want to go back to the church fathers. In fact if you are studying Church history here. you’re going to be exposed to the Church fathers, you’re going to be in the flow, you’re going to know where you came from. You’re not going to be isolated, you’re not going to be given some kind of idea that, Christianity arrived on the planet during your lifetime and it needs to be defined and designed according to the culture that exists right now . You’re going to be historically . grounded and rooted,. that, that’s our heritage, those are our people. That’s a very important concept.”
    “We’re concerned about theology, but when we move to theology, all the more important that we keep our connections, right? That we go all the way back and that is essential . We draw our life, in a sense, by drawing out the illumination of the people of God , all the way back to the apostles”
    When one compares MacArthur’s obvious bent towards history and the dead theologians, with those in the Charismania stream giving “honor” to dead revivalist’s, it becomes clear that both seem to be using the Bible almost as a secondary source, rather than THE source.
    Both glean sermons and teachings off of dead people. One in strict denunciation of anything spiritual/supernatural and the other in strict full throttle mysticism. Both have a high regard for themselves and the supposed renowned men dead or alive. Both reduce the Scriptures to nothing more than their agenda driven egos. Both are in great error and deceiving the masses.

  3. Lisa, thank you for your comment and I agree. When it comes to false teaching, there is always some truth mixed with lies. While John MacArthur targets the false teachings of Charismatics he, himself, is included in their error. By taking the Word of God and twisting the scriptures to suit his agenda. I am still perplexed as to why he did this. There is certainly enough sound Biblical proof to support and clearly show the many errors of the false teachings taking place in these movements. Much, more could be said about the Strange Fire conference but others have already said them and better than I could have. My perplexity may very well stem from the fact that I have not really given to much time or energy into looking at what John MacArthur actually teaches, he wasn’t on my radar so to speak. I know he is Baptist/reformed, cessasionist etc. and that he spoke out about the many errors in charismania. He has his own flavor of deception, sad thing is that no one within his camp will address his error. I think it is ironic that during his Strange Fire Conference he spoke of the need to take charge, come together and “police” the Charismatics, when from within his own movement someone, anyone, should be “policing” him and his agenda and the error he is teaching. I have spent a little more time looking at John and have found other errors (not mistakes). And just as with the charismanias the die hard reformers follow him (their holy leader) blindly.

  4. Thank you for posting this! It seems his “followers” have raised this man up practically to the level of infallible, pretty sad and pretty scary!

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  6. All I can do is shake my head. Doesn’t he know what he believes or what he has taught in the past? I have to wonder if he does his own research of if someone does that for him. Thanks my friend for taking the time to pull this apart. I am so happy to see you back! Much love to you both!

  7. Thanks for sharing this. When I was watching some of the strange fire videos, something didn’t sit right with me. Just because they say ‘some’ truth doesn’t mean its all truth. Shame on him…serving money instead of God.

  8. Thanks for sharing this, I remember watching some of his Strange Fire videos and something didn’t sit right with me, just because they speak ‘some’ truth doesn’t mean it’s all truth…shame on him…serving money instead of God.

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