Ten years out and still wondering

Been wondering and musing about some things lately. Seems like the past several months I’ve unplugged from all the “discernment groups” and the “weekly guru prophesy updates” and now I see how much I’ve needed to. This may be a bit messy and probably not with any rhyme or reason….just me processing.

It’s clear and anyone can certainly see the “apostacy” taking place in the churches today. It only takes a little thought, for those of us who are older and came from a family of “church goers” or have done a little church history homework, to realize that the exponential increase of apostacy taking place today was in full operation decades ago. With false prophets and teachers laying the solid foundation of lies and deceit and our parents and grandparents following blindly.

Many of us have spent the past several years deprogramming from the scriptural lies that we have been fed and believed. Not just the obvious ones but the lies and scripture twisting used to create a tradition of bondage to the leadership, church organizations and manmade religion; always with the sugar-coated promises of blessings or the keys to God’s pocket book or some other absurd carrot being dangled in front of the noises of the masses.

So, I wonder why????????

  • I’ve spent many years wanting to re-enter a “church” structure that God clearly yanked me out of?? Finally realizing that the conditioning and the group think which has spanned decades certainly has taken time to come to terms with and especially detangle. As the lies become a part of your foundational belief system at its core. Kind of like the devil’s literally in the details. We’ve spent these past years having the Holy Spirit reveal the truth behind the lies of a multitude of twisted scriptures that we were taught.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this. To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

  • Jesus spent more time doing His ministry out of the temple. The scriptures speak of His time spent in the temple, were few and the interaction with the chosen spiritual leaders of the day were very much combative and ugly. Obviously in the end it was the leadership from that organized religion that killed Him.
  • I know of many who have re-entered the church structure after coming out of false teaching. On the one hand I understand it, to a degree and was even a little envious but not so much anymore, still I always desire fellowship. I wonder, not how they can, but why I can’t? There is such an emptiness and void sitting in the pew, listening to a sermonette based on one verse (sometimes a partial verse) with a “culturally relevant” story spun around it.
  • I wonder why talking with other Christians, they don’t really want to hear about the false teaching/teachers or how the scriptures have been twisted into lies, especially if some of those lies are coming from one of their pet teacher/preacher? Why?
  • We truly lack the nobility of the Bereans. I wonder why such a familiar verse is so neglected in applying it in our spiritual lives…especially within the church walls. There is no discernment.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

  • Early on in looking for others who knew and taught of the false teaching and teachers that God brought me out of. I ran across a few “well known” preachers that wrote books (don’t they all today?), preached sermons and held conferences on the false teachers/teachings and doctrines that I had been under. Only to discover false teachings of another flavor coming from their teachings, organizations and affiliations. This has happened more than once, and it is not a matter “no perfect church”, “no perfect pastor” etc. it’s a matter of twisting the scriptures, it’s not opinion, it’s black and white what they have done to scripture. I wonder why so many refuse to correctly exegesis the scriptures on their pet doctrines, yet continue to point out the errors of other false teachers? I wonder if they realize it makes them not only look foolish but ignorant, for teaching how to correctly exegesis scripture and yet refusing to apply it to their own teachings? As “they” say “deceiving by laying truth alongside of error.”

Matt. 23:3-4 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do NOT ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be bone, and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

(Read Matt. 23:1-36, describes in detail the types of leadership of the church that Christ was dealing with)

  • I wonder why there is very little self-reflection and examination of ministries, to keep themselves from deception? Many seem to think it’s ok or acceptable to turn a “blind eye” to twisting scripture on a pet doctrine that’s deemed a “non-essential” Twisting scriptures and eisegesis is wrong no matter the topic….A lie is a lie.

 Deuteronomy 4:2 “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it”

 Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. 

Psalms 119: 160 “The entirety of Your word is truth

Proverbs 30:6″Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar”

Revelation 22:18-19  “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this Book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the Book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this Book” 

(Of all the books Revelation has the strongest warning as it has to do with the end of world system and the coming of the Lord to restore righteousness)

  • I wonder why so many preachers/bishops/laymen/congregants ignore the clear and obvious warnings given by Jesus and the Apostles concerning deception, false prophets/teachers etc., not only that which existed in their day but foretold would be prevalent in the end times. Today we have an onslaught of those claiming the anointing of Christ, to be anointed, and claim special revelation apart from the clear teachings of Scripture, all fooling the masses to believe they have access to God no one else has, an open heaven, glory cloud etc., etc.

Matthew 7:15; 24:5; 24:11; 24:24; Mark 13:22; Luke 6:26; 2 Corinthians 11:13; 2 Peter 2:1; 1 John 4:1; Revelation 16:13; 19:20

These are but a few of the many warnings concerning false prophets, false Christs, false apostles, etc., but the one which stands as a true sign we are on the precipice of the 70th week of Daniel is Matthew 24:5.

“For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.”

Jesus Himself taught that the prevailing conditions existing just prior to His return would be marked by those coming in His name claiming to be the Christ.  This does not mean what many have led us to believe, that there would be those impersonating and or claim to be Jesus Christ.  No, the meaning is much more direct.  It must be understood that the word “Christ” is translated “anointed,” therefore there will be many who will come in Jesus’ name claiming to be “the anointed.”

There are but two worldwide ministries I need mention although there are many others.  A fringe fanatical Charismatic group called the “New Apostolic Reformation” and “The Word of Faith” movement.  Both are global, both claim special anointing, and to be “the anointed,” and both have had the largest influence upon Christianity in the last century.  In one way or another either by TBN, or books and teachings, both have influence upon even the smallest churches in the smallest communities the world over, and both are the most dangerous to Christian orthodoxy and sound doctrine than any movement existing.

5 thoughts on “Ten years out and still wondering

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  2. Thank you for your thoughts, they are greatly appreciated and encouraging, as always. There are many who come to mind, like Prasch, and you are so right they speak initially to our specific circumstances in coming out of deception and false teachings in the churches. Yet as time goes on in listening to their teaching you start to see all rabbit holes they want you to follow them down into. We are so thankful that we learned early on, when we came out, to continue to test and try the spirits and to adhere to being good Bereans as best we could. It has saved us from many snares. Biggest red flag!!!! If they teach correct exegesis and correct hermeneutics and yet refuse to apply them to some of their own pet doctrines and work….it’s time to run. There is an absolute lack of any accountability on their part to handle the Word of God correctly and they “spiritualize, cut and paste scriptures etc. It quickly becomes a familiar dogma ….this is the same false teaching practices, tricks and cons we came out of. God bless you for your continued work Treena

  3. There is a lot to think about here Mike. I also wonder about some so called “discernment ministries” that themselves misinterpret the scriptures, especially eschatology. I have been thinking about this a lot just lately and I have come to a possible? conclusion. It is a double whammy against the elect.. Some teachers appear to be “against” wrong doctrines in order to gain the confidence of those who have come out of false churches and thirst for the truth. In fact they have an altogether different agenda; dare I say, even Jesuitical or Luciferian. This is why it is so important to continue to discern and not to rely on any one teacher in these difficult times. Jacob Prasch comes particularly to mind.. RC educated.. very intelligent.. with a lot of knowledge about Judaism. Those with such “potential” are usually recruited when they are at university. My thoughts for what they are worth. God bless.

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