UPDATED 10-13-18 Please note further information added at the end of this article, thank you Treena.
David Nathan (Bread of Life Ministries) has recently been ousted from his position of South African Administrator of Moriel Ministries in the most callous and unchristian manner! The reasons given by Jacob Prasch and his associate Marco Quintana (Moriel USA) are based on what can only be described as various pretexts.
Prasch: “* David’s teaching on this video that ‘no one will be Born Again after the rapture’ is directly contradictory to Revelation 14:6. The Gospel being preached via angelic agency from midheaven at that time of God’s wrath being released concurrent with the rapture is defined in that text as a Gospel that is ‘Eternal’ (eugalion aonion eugalesai). The Gospel of repentance, faith, and salvation will be preached and it is an ‘eternal’ message of salvation. Eternity is an all-encompassing term in both Greek and English and includes the Millennium. David Nathan’s forceful assertions in this regard and the teaching of the plain meaning of text are mutually exclusive. “ The full text can be read on the following link: https://www.facebook.com/MorielTV/ As always with Prasch, the devil is quite literally in the detail! God’s wrath is not“concurrent” with the rapture! Revelation 7:9-13 refers to the rapture: ..a great multitude from every nation coming out of the great tribulation. This event is followed by opening of the seventh seal: When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. (Revelation 8:1). There is therefore a definite pause between the rapture of the church and the outpouring of God’s wrath. In other words, the events are consecutive but asynchronous. The “eternal gospel” given by the angel is preached immediately prior to the rapture of the church, not during the Day of the Lord (the period of God’s wrath). The first angel of Revelation 14:7 said: “The hour of his judgement has come..” (has come = ἦλθενprophetic aorist) i.e. judgement is at hand/impending/imminent. Those who take the mark of the beast will not be saved. (Revelation 14:10-11 cf. Daniel 7:9-10, Daniel 7:14, Daniel 7:26-27; Revelation 11:15). The eternal gospel proclaimed by the angel in Revelation 14:6 is the final appeal to unbelievers before the wrath of God is executed on the beast and on those who worship him. As such there will be NO TESTIMONY/GOSPEL available to people during the Day of the Lord. As Prasch points out, the gospel is “eternal”. However, it appears that this particular group of people have utterly rejected the eternalunalterable truth of the gospel,and that their opportunity to receive eternal salvation has come to an end. This is further confirmed in Revelation 16, the passage that refers specifically to the bowls of wrath:
The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory. (Revelation 16:8-9). The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in anguish and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores. They did not repent of their deeds. (Revelation 16:10-11). The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts. (Revelation 9:20-21). “The rest of mankind” seems to be an inclusive statement that does not allow for exceptions.
6Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. 7And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
8Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality.”
9And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.” 12Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!” 14Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16So he who sat on the cloud swung his sickle across the earth, and the earth was reaped. 17Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18And another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has authority over the fire, and he called with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, “Put in your sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.” 19So the angel swung his sickle across the earth and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse’s bridle, for 1,600 stadia. Revelation 14:14-16 Pictures the Rapture
Alan Kurschner: “When Christ comes again, there are several events that will happen in conjunction with His second coming. One of them is the resurrection of the righteous dead, along with the translation of all living saints. Many people refer to this as the rapture of the church. These believers will not have to experience death because they will receive their incorruptible bodies in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, see I Corinthians 15:51-55. Many people believe that I Thessalonians 4:13-18 is the only passage that speaks of the rapture of the church. This is not true. There are several and Revelation 14:14-16 is one of them. The word ‘rapture’ does not appear there, but neither does it appear in I Thessalonians 4:13-18.. {1}
Alan Kurschner believes that both Gentiles and Jews will populate the millennial kingdom. He suggests that the sheep/goats judgement suggests a remnant of Gentiles. (Matthew 25:31-46). {2} It is difficult to know who these Gentiles are given that it appears none will repent during the period of God’s wrath (?) The argument that the people who give glory to God after the great earthquake in Revelation 11 will also populate the millennium is tenuous. As previously stated, the two witnesses are raised from the dead before the wrath of God is poured out and the great earthquake occurs at the very same hour. It follows that if these people are saved at that point in time, they will be included in the rapture. (Revelation 11:11-13).
I have had no previous affinity with David Nathan due to his association with Prasch/Moriel, and I now consider his teaching, as far as possible, from an unbiased perspective. I find that I can agree with David Nathan up to the point where the scriptures indicate that people will not be saved after the rapture of the church during the period of God’s wrath. His theory that there will be no salvation during the millennial reign is more difficult however. To be fair, David Nathan was at pains to repeat more than once in his video concerning the millennium that that this is his theory. {3} If this is his “great offence”, then it is relatively minor compared to the wild speculations of Jacob Prasch whose intra-seal theory is entirely unreliable and full of errors!
Jacob Prasch seems to have backtracked somewhat – he is very good at changing the goalposts and taking down his previous videos! Apparently the period of the tribulation is not seven years as he previously insisted, he now says it is 3.5 years! {4}.
Prasch teaches that there will be no conviction of sin and no more grace during the entire seventieth week of Daniel! He also states that the Holy Spirit will be taken from the world, but not from believers, and that the gospel will not be preached during this entire seven year period. {5} How can this possibly be the case when the Holy Spirit convicts people of sin (John 16:8), and we are actually saved through grace? (Ephesians 2:8). Incidentally, this version of intra-seal contradicts what Prasch states in his book Shadows of the Beast page 450 in which he states that grace will come to an end during the “Day of the Lord”. {6}
Below is one of Prasch’s verbatim rants explaining what happens during the first 3.5 years of his fictional seven year tribulation:
“During this three and a half year period, the two witnesses, one of them obviously, if not both, of them, in the spirit of Elijah will be operating. It is going to be very different however from what it is now. Grace has come to an end..It will not be a period of grace, and the church as such will not exist, believers will, but not the church. It will also be a time of increasing pressure on the church with persecution.. It is not the wrath of God but the tribulation of Satan. This time of three and a half years is the thlipsis, the tribulation.. The first three and a half years will be ?? when the Antichrist will be manifested and the elect will know who he is. The faithful church will know who he is and know what to do about him. The two witnesses will become active at this time… that is what is going to be taking place during this period.. He (the Holy Spirit) will cease restraining the power of Satan.. The gospel as we know it will not be preached at that time. What will be preached is the gospel of the kingdom.. {7} There are multiple problems with the above eisegesis!*The Book of Revelation gives us precise information regarding the death of the two witnesses and the time period they will minister. (Revelation 11:1-14). The two witnesses die and are resurrected during the second woe i.e. after the sixth trumpet is blown (Revelation 11:14). This confirms that they will prophesy for 1,260 days during the second half of the 70th week. Their death occurs just before the seventh trumpet is blown i.e. just prior to the Day of the Lord when the bowls of God’s wrath will be released. (Revelation 9:12-13; 11:7). Prasch teaches the two witnesses arrival during the first half of the 70th week with “the gospel of the kingdom”. This directly contradicts the timing of the two witnesses arrival as recorded in the scriptures. The gospel of the kingdom is the gospel of Jesus Christ.. there are not two gospels! Prasch’s alternative gospel, supposedly given by the two witnesses at the wrong time is completely defective! (2 Corinthians 11:4).
*The Antichrist will be a political figure, but he will be incognito until the mid point of the week when he is “revealed”. (2 Thessalonians 2:3).
*The tribulation begins after the Antichrist is revealed i.e. the beginning of the second half of the week.
*The “restrainer” of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7is not identified in the scriptures. The idea that the “restrainer” is the Holy Spirit originated with John Nelson Darby. However there are good reasons to believe that the “restrainer” is in fact the Archangel Michael.*Various scriptures talk about “the word of their testimony” i.e. the testimony of believers. What precisely is “the word of their testimony”,IF IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL? And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. (Revelation 12:11). And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. (Revelation 6:9; cf. Revelation 7:9-14). Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4).
It is extremely suspicious that Prasch has thrown David Nathan under the bus for his so called faulty exegesis, even more so since he endorses ecumenical “prophet” David Noakes who will be a joint speaker with Prasch at Moriel’s Scottish Conference! Jacob Prasch & David Noakes Moriel Conference 2018! Ecumenism by Stealth? {8}
The fruit of Moriel Ministries
Below are some comments from the Moriel TV Facebook post. I understand that some of them have now been deleted!
*This is just as I feared, the fruit from Jacob Prasch/Moriel Ministries is confusion and discouragement! I believe that this exposure is a judgement upon Jacob Prasch and I am praying that the tide will finally turn and that believers will stop looking to men. All things work together for good…… God will bring good out of this awful situation.
*there are now many followers who now are having trouble discerning truth from either side…
*I already came out of churches who were into NAR and all the crazy stuff and thought I found a safe place from heresy and false teachings. This is all so troublesome and discouraging to me.
*This was all because we trusted Moriel. We have held them in too high of regard I suppose. This makes me want to not even listen to anyone, maybe just old teachings from David Wilkerson. I know we are supposed to be good Bereans and search for ourselves but the word says we are given teachers, apostles, pastors, and evangelist for the building up of the Saints. It’s scriptural. And yet in this season of spiritual famine and the sea of hirelings not even the pastors of the remnant church are above reproach
*A panel discussion would have been so helpful, and if they put it out on video I think this whole fiasco could have been avoided. As you said there is so much confusion, many don’t even know where to start wading through countless videos and statements. And why all of a sudden? It makes people not want to trust either ministry. Heartbreaking
*Moriel TV: I was introduced to David Nathan, so to speak, by you and have grown to love both of your ministries. I thought I was in a safe environment where I could learn from sound bible teachers and now this has all come up and brought me much confusion and disappointment. I am more disappointed in Moriel Ministries than anyone else because I would have thought you prayerfully sought the Lord and checked out David Nathan before inviting him to be part of your ministry. Now that I’ve grown to love David Nathan you tell me some of his teaching is heretical after I already recommended him to my family and friends. Just makes me want to stay away from all bible teachers completely and never recommend any ministry again as I don’t know who is correct anymore. This all is very hurtful and damaging to the Body of Christ of which I am only one small member.
*Another concern that I have is the Admin of Moriel because many have said that they were blocked from Moriel TV after voicing their concern about this particular issue. Are we really sure that it was Jacob who wrote that post or instructed the brother doing the Admin to write the response and block some folks challenging their message? {9}
David Nathan addresses Prasch as a “brother” in his response below. In contrast, I am in some doubt about Prasch’s spiritual condition due to his various false teachings, his habit of verbally abusing anyone who questions him and various other questionable things that I am aware of. As such my posts about Prasch/Moriel are from a very different perspective to that of David Nathan. They are specifically aimed at exposing a very dangerous false teacher, all the more so because he has hoodwinked a significant part of the remnant church. (Ephesians 5:11). David Nathan 3 September at 12:37 Dear Jacob,
14 thoughts on “DAVID NATHAN THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY JACOB PRASCH MORIEL MINISTRIES! ~By Treena Gisborn”
DLSO.. I agree with Mike that Prasch’s behaviour is unconscionable. Considering Prasch’s own scripture twisting and false doctrine, this vicious attack upon David Nathan is hypocritical.
I can only assume that you have not kept up with the current status of this situation. For if anyone needs to self-check their emotions it would certainly be Jacob Prasch, as there are several videos that he has produced on this topic and he is literally a raving maniac.
Just a few, where he appears to be out of control most of the time. Not to mention the fact that he embellishes some the facts to make them fit his time line etc. Please take the time to research both sides and the conduct of David Nathan compared to Jacob Prasch is literally night and day in behavior and desire.
We must leave our feeling out of it and listen to the doctrine being taught. Search the scriptures. Holy Spirit will teach and direct us to truth. We must judge the doctrine and not man. That’s God job. If and when doctrine is taught wrong. Speak up, confront it. God word is true. I personally will walk away from false teaching and let God will deal with man.
If you think that intra-seal is not serious deception then you are very much mistaken M Well. To state that Pentecost is reversed and that the age of grace comes to an end during the entire 70th week of Daniel is a denial of the Gospel. If you will take the time to plumb the depths of Prasch’s scripture twisting you will find that intra-seal is a doctrine of demons.
•Eschatology: The apostasy and the Man of Lawlessness in Bible prophecy.
•The identity of the restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 defies an unequivocal position.
•Evidence that the restrainer is the Archangel Michael.
•When precisely is the restrainer taken out of the way?
•The murky history of the pre-tribulation rapture theory.
•A summary of the Intra-Seal deception.
•Two interim periods… The invalid parallel between the 70th week of Daniel and the period between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and Pentecost.
•The reversal of Pentecost as Prasch relates it to the 70th week of Daniel.
•Is the metaphor of “the night” relevant to the period between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and Pentecost?
•The invalid comparison between the tribulation saints and the church in Smyrna.
•The seven spirits of God – the omnipresence of the Holy Spirit.
•Birth Pains as defined in the gospel of John are a defective eschatological motif. (John 16:16-24).
•Does “The Shattering Of The Power Of The Holy People” refer to Israel or the church?
•Does the Age of Grace come to an end during the 70th week of Daniel?
•The recapitulation of the seven plagues and their timing.
•The timing of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:1-14.
•More Intra-Seal errors related to Michael and the term katechó (restrainer).
•Further issues: Prasch’s maniacal handling of the 70th week of Daniel.
•Why does it matter? Intra-Seal is much more than a timing issue.
•God is not the author of confusion. (1 Corinthians 14:33).
•Conclusion: Can we reasonably write off the gospel and the ministry of the Holy Spirit during the 70th week of Daniel?
We too had listened to and followed his teachings for a time and like you had found some things that we just would over look as it didn’t seem to be important but actually it was in the end. Why shouldn’t we hold his feet to the fire in light of scripture. If you have been following any of this horrendous mess it clearly shows that Jacob Prasch is in rebellion by not meeting with David Nathan to try to reconcile the matter. David has requested this every time he publicly spoke of this matter and said he was open to rebuke, correction and wanting reconciliation. Prasch flatly refuses and won’t even acknowledge Nathan’s scriptural response and continues on his campaign or “WAR’ as he recently called it in one of his letters and cranking out yet another video of venom and spite.
Where is Prasch a false teacher? Show proof. David Nathan said that the Father is not the creator. Is that biblical. Im not going to say that David Nathan is a false teacher, but I have heard over one hundred of Prasches sermons and lectures and have found only a few things that I disagree with. None of which were much of anything at all. To call Prasch a false teacher without any proof is called slander. If you dont agree with his intraseal rapture understanding then that is ok, but it doesnt make someone a false teacher. If Prasch starts preaching serious error then I will be the first to declare him a false teacher, but dont slander him because he has spoken against David Nathan.
I do have some sympathy for David Nathan on one level, but I do have reservations about his teaching. I wonder what was the purpose of his teaching about the millennium? It hasn’t built anyone up in their faith has it? In effect it does undermine the gospel:
Hebrews 10: 1-4 makes it clear that animal sacrifices did not take away sins in the OT. Since it is IMPOSSIBLE for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins, there is a major problem with David Nathan’s theory. Some teach that the animal sacrifices during the millennium are an object lesson or a memorial. In any event it is unhelpful to go beyond what is written. 1 Corinthians 4:6.
“1For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is IMPOSSIBLE for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.”
God bless.
David Nathan is a man after God’s heart
He is a man of integrity. An teaches the full Word of God. One can ask at any time during his teaching, if they don’t understand! I know being a member of BOLM for over seven years. I grew spiritually. I was challenged to live God’s Word and not be “hearer” only! David and his family was totally committed to the church and it’s members 24 hours/7days a week. He had no secretary! He worked tirelessly giving of time and money when needed. He didn’t depend on people to provide for His needs, but the Lord. He drove an old car and lived very modestly. He and Jacqui and children are kind and loving. Doors open to all.
I learned more in seven years under his ministry than all my 34years of being born again!
I am eternally grateful to the Lord for using David Nathan to bring clarity to my many questions, and teach me to search the Scriptures for myself, building a relationship with my Heavenly Father through Christ Jesus
Thank you for sharing this it is certainly not something that one sees or experiences among the known bible teachers of today, a rarity for sure. Praying that it will be a healing balm to many and certainly an example of true humility and right Christian conduct.
A comment left by David Nathan on FB shows more humility than I have seen in a bible teacher for a very long time:
“I admit that I presented my understanding as definitive and after much study and reading from others I admit I was wrong to do so. I am no nearer arriving at a conclusion just as among scholars who have written on this. As a result I will gladly and most willingly retract and edit previous teachings. I have learned so much in this process because of the grace and goodness of our God who looks to the heart and leads us into all truth.
Let these things take care of themselves in the next age.
Let us rather focus on this age leading to the return of our Lord and hopefully we are all found faithful and ready at His return.”
Dear Brian..
Anything that takes place within the church is not an “internal matter”. Moriel themselves have made this matter public. As such I feel that anyone, including myself, is entitled to respond.
Why should you be confused? I have actually been engaged in exposing Jacob Prasch as a very dangerous false teacher for some considerable time. It is not a case of “Moriel bashing”, as you put it, but rather pointing out the unbiblical aspects of Prasch’s teaching. For instance, biblically God’s wrath is not “concurrent” with the rapture.
I am not a supporter of David Nathan. I have not been much familiar with his teaching in the past due to his association with Prasch. I do agree with him about the “restrainer” of 2 Thessalonians 2:6 being the Michael the Archangel however. As for his theory about millennial reign being the reason for David Nathan’s dismissal, I sincerely doubt it actually. Prasch did not have a problem with it in April as demonstrated in the video below!
I am left somewhat confused as to the reason, purpose and motivation behind this editorial at all. The author is clearly no friend of Moriel Ministries or its adherents, yet goes out of their way to publish a lengthy and detailed attack on internal disciplinary action taken by that Ministry against an employee. Is it consistent that the author should support an employee of a Ministry they so clearly and vociferously oppose? or is there some underlying reason why such a stance be taken?. Is the author a supporter of the work of David Nathan or simply using this matter as a means of Moriel bashing?. Moriel can certainly handle this matter without any assistance or input from me. My contention with the piece is that I feel this is an overt act of malicious opportunism to use a man you would otherwise have no positive interest in to stick the proverbial knives into an Organisation you have no personal use for.
I have followed the teachings of Jacob Prasch and Moriel for some years now and must say that I have only ever found his teaching to be strictly biblical . The guy takes pains to differentiate between biblical doctrine and his personal opinion, he makes a point of urging the reader/hearer to check every word he says with scripture. He takes up the sword against unpopular causes and calls out false teaching when it would be so much easier to leave well alone. Even to the extent of calling out the most famous pastors and teachers of contemporary times. Perhaps, therein lies the root of the problem, ‘If you can’t attack the narrative, attack the person for stating it’. The good old ad hominem attack. The devil is surely at this work.
In conclusion, I would ask again, why the rush to defend a servant of Moriel Ministries in an internal doctrinal issue? a servant who was happy to serve that ministry until the opportunity arose to take advantage of and manipulate for one’s own nefarious purpose. 2 Chronicles 18:7 ‘There is still one man who can ask the LORD, but I hate him because he never prophesies anything good for me, but only bad’.
Thank you for your comment Nina. I have heard very little of David Nathan in the past. I avoided him because he was part of Moriel. I have found Jacob Prasch to be a false teacher many times.. mostly to do with the rapture but there are also other areas of concern. I hope and pray that the believers who have been shaken and confused by all of this will recover. I will be listening to David Nathan on YouTube in the future. It is so rare to find anyone preaching the truth as you say. God bless you.
I have watched most, if not all, of David Nathan’s teachings. He is not a false teacher. In fact, I believe he is one of the most sound teachers I have ever listened to. He loves God. You can see it in his face (countenance) and hear it in his voice/words.
The thing about David Nathan is that everything he teaches comes straight from the Bible. I don’t know how many of his sermons/teachings you’ve watched, but he uses massive amounts of scripture in each one. And he makes sure everyone understands the context of the verses. He also encourages the people who are there present in his church to ask questions/participate, while he is teaching. You won’t see that in any other church because it’s all about what the preacher has to say and not what anyone else in the church might have questions about. Sadly.
You are right concerning David’s teaching about the millennium. He repeatedly said, “this is my theory, not theology,” He was sharing his theory, I believe, as an encouragement to believers. Not to promote some wild unbiblical view of the millennium, but rather to give us an idea of what we can look forward to in the future.
As for Jacob Prasch, I don’t know enough about him or his teachings to make a judgment either way. I’m not particularly fond of his teaching style, so I’ve only listened to a few of his videos. He does has some interesting ones. However, I tend to gravitate towards David Nathan because he’s a much better teacher, but mainly because the Spirit in me confirms/agrees with the truth he teaches.
I believe that what has happened is a direct attack of the enemy using the pride and ambition of those in Moriel to try to discredit David Nathan because they know he preaches truth. The truth is the last thing the enemy wants anyone to hear. So what better way to try to confuse people is to promote division between Moriel and David. But I see this also as a separation of the goats from the sheep. Not only is this happening within the mainstream church and the true remnant, but perhaps now within the remnant to weed out those may not truly be of the remnant. THat’s a mouthful, I know.
Anyway, sorry for the lengthy comment. I’m glad you shared David’s response. It shows his humility and willingness to be corrected if wrong, and also where his heart is in all of this.
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DLSO.. I agree with Mike that Prasch’s behaviour is unconscionable. Considering Prasch’s own scripture twisting and false doctrine, this vicious attack upon David Nathan is hypocritical.
I can only assume that you have not kept up with the current status of this situation. For if anyone needs to self-check their emotions it would certainly be Jacob Prasch, as there are several videos that he has produced on this topic and he is literally a raving maniac.
Just a few, where he appears to be out of control most of the time. Not to mention the fact that he embellishes some the facts to make them fit his time line etc. Please take the time to research both sides and the conduct of David Nathan compared to Jacob Prasch is literally night and day in behavior and desire.
We must leave our feeling out of it and listen to the doctrine being taught. Search the scriptures. Holy Spirit will teach and direct us to truth. We must judge the doctrine and not man. That’s God job. If and when doctrine is taught wrong. Speak up, confront it. God word is true. I personally will walk away from false teaching and let God will deal with man.
If you think that intra-seal is not serious deception then you are very much mistaken M Well. To state that Pentecost is reversed and that the age of grace comes to an end during the entire 70th week of Daniel is a denial of the Gospel. If you will take the time to plumb the depths of Prasch’s scripture twisting you will find that intra-seal is a doctrine of demons.
•Eschatology: The apostasy and the Man of Lawlessness in Bible prophecy.
•The identity of the restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 defies an unequivocal position.
•Evidence that the restrainer is the Archangel Michael.
•When precisely is the restrainer taken out of the way?
•The murky history of the pre-tribulation rapture theory.
•A summary of the Intra-Seal deception.
•Two interim periods… The invalid parallel between the 70th week of Daniel and the period between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and Pentecost.
•The reversal of Pentecost as Prasch relates it to the 70th week of Daniel.
•Is the metaphor of “the night” relevant to the period between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and Pentecost?
•The invalid comparison between the tribulation saints and the church in Smyrna.
•The seven spirits of God – the omnipresence of the Holy Spirit.
•Birth Pains as defined in the gospel of John are a defective eschatological motif. (John 16:16-24).
•Does “The Shattering Of The Power Of The Holy People” refer to Israel or the church?
•Does the Age of Grace come to an end during the 70th week of Daniel?
•The recapitulation of the seven plagues and their timing.
•The timing of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:1-14.
•More Intra-Seal errors related to Michael and the term katechó (restrainer).
•Further issues: Prasch’s maniacal handling of the 70th week of Daniel.
•Why does it matter? Intra-Seal is much more than a timing issue.
•God is not the author of confusion. (1 Corinthians 14:33).
•Conclusion: Can we reasonably write off the gospel and the ministry of the Holy Spirit during the 70th week of Daniel?
We too had listened to and followed his teachings for a time and like you had found some things that we just would over look as it didn’t seem to be important but actually it was in the end. Why shouldn’t we hold his feet to the fire in light of scripture. If you have been following any of this horrendous mess it clearly shows that Jacob Prasch is in rebellion by not meeting with David Nathan to try to reconcile the matter. David has requested this every time he publicly spoke of this matter and said he was open to rebuke, correction and wanting reconciliation. Prasch flatly refuses and won’t even acknowledge Nathan’s scriptural response and continues on his campaign or “WAR’ as he recently called it in one of his letters and cranking out yet another video of venom and spite.
Where is Prasch a false teacher? Show proof. David Nathan said that the Father is not the creator. Is that biblical. Im not going to say that David Nathan is a false teacher, but I have heard over one hundred of Prasches sermons and lectures and have found only a few things that I disagree with. None of which were much of anything at all. To call Prasch a false teacher without any proof is called slander. If you dont agree with his intraseal rapture understanding then that is ok, but it doesnt make someone a false teacher. If Prasch starts preaching serious error then I will be the first to declare him a false teacher, but dont slander him because he has spoken against David Nathan.
I do have some sympathy for David Nathan on one level, but I do have reservations about his teaching. I wonder what was the purpose of his teaching about the millennium? It hasn’t built anyone up in their faith has it? In effect it does undermine the gospel:
Hebrews 10: 1-4 makes it clear that animal sacrifices did not take away sins in the OT. Since it is IMPOSSIBLE for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins, there is a major problem with David Nathan’s theory. Some teach that the animal sacrifices during the millennium are an object lesson or a memorial. In any event it is unhelpful to go beyond what is written. 1 Corinthians 4:6.
“1For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is IMPOSSIBLE for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.”
God bless.
David Nathan is a man after God’s heart
He is a man of integrity. An teaches the full Word of God. One can ask at any time during his teaching, if they don’t understand! I know being a member of BOLM for over seven years. I grew spiritually. I was challenged to live God’s Word and not be “hearer” only! David and his family was totally committed to the church and it’s members 24 hours/7days a week. He had no secretary! He worked tirelessly giving of time and money when needed. He didn’t depend on people to provide for His needs, but the Lord. He drove an old car and lived very modestly. He and Jacqui and children are kind and loving. Doors open to all.
I learned more in seven years under his ministry than all my 34years of being born again!
I am eternally grateful to the Lord for using David Nathan to bring clarity to my many questions, and teach me to search the Scriptures for myself, building a relationship with my Heavenly Father through Christ Jesus
Thank you for sharing this it is certainly not something that one sees or experiences among the known bible teachers of today, a rarity for sure. Praying that it will be a healing balm to many and certainly an example of true humility and right Christian conduct.
A comment left by David Nathan on FB shows more humility than I have seen in a bible teacher for a very long time:
“I admit that I presented my understanding as definitive and after much study and reading from others I admit I was wrong to do so. I am no nearer arriving at a conclusion just as among scholars who have written on this. As a result I will gladly and most willingly retract and edit previous teachings. I have learned so much in this process because of the grace and goodness of our God who looks to the heart and leads us into all truth.
Let these things take care of themselves in the next age.
Let us rather focus on this age leading to the return of our Lord and hopefully we are all found faithful and ready at His return.”
Dear Brian..
Anything that takes place within the church is not an “internal matter”. Moriel themselves have made this matter public. As such I feel that anyone, including myself, is entitled to respond.
Why should you be confused? I have actually been engaged in exposing Jacob Prasch as a very dangerous false teacher for some considerable time. It is not a case of “Moriel bashing”, as you put it, but rather pointing out the unbiblical aspects of Prasch’s teaching. For instance, biblically God’s wrath is not “concurrent” with the rapture.
I am not a supporter of David Nathan. I have not been much familiar with his teaching in the past due to his association with Prasch. I do agree with him about the “restrainer” of 2 Thessalonians 2:6 being the Michael the Archangel however. As for his theory about millennial reign being the reason for David Nathan’s dismissal, I sincerely doubt it actually. Prasch did not have a problem with it in April as demonstrated in the video below!
You say that you have found Prasch to be “strictly biblical”. Have you studied his intra-seal rapture theory in any depth?
Can you explain to me why ecumenist David Noakes has been invited as a speaker to Moriel’s Scottish Conference?
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/09/jacob-prasch-david-noakes-moriel.html
God bless.
I am left somewhat confused as to the reason, purpose and motivation behind this editorial at all. The author is clearly no friend of Moriel Ministries or its adherents, yet goes out of their way to publish a lengthy and detailed attack on internal disciplinary action taken by that Ministry against an employee. Is it consistent that the author should support an employee of a Ministry they so clearly and vociferously oppose? or is there some underlying reason why such a stance be taken?. Is the author a supporter of the work of David Nathan or simply using this matter as a means of Moriel bashing?. Moriel can certainly handle this matter without any assistance or input from me. My contention with the piece is that I feel this is an overt act of malicious opportunism to use a man you would otherwise have no positive interest in to stick the proverbial knives into an Organisation you have no personal use for.
I have followed the teachings of Jacob Prasch and Moriel for some years now and must say that I have only ever found his teaching to be strictly biblical . The guy takes pains to differentiate between biblical doctrine and his personal opinion, he makes a point of urging the reader/hearer to check every word he says with scripture. He takes up the sword against unpopular causes and calls out false teaching when it would be so much easier to leave well alone. Even to the extent of calling out the most famous pastors and teachers of contemporary times. Perhaps, therein lies the root of the problem, ‘If you can’t attack the narrative, attack the person for stating it’. The good old ad hominem attack. The devil is surely at this work.
In conclusion, I would ask again, why the rush to defend a servant of Moriel Ministries in an internal doctrinal issue? a servant who was happy to serve that ministry until the opportunity arose to take advantage of and manipulate for one’s own nefarious purpose. 2 Chronicles 18:7 ‘There is still one man who can ask the LORD, but I hate him because he never prophesies anything good for me, but only bad’.
Thank you for your comment Nina. I have heard very little of David Nathan in the past. I avoided him because he was part of Moriel. I have found Jacob Prasch to be a false teacher many times.. mostly to do with the rapture but there are also other areas of concern. I hope and pray that the believers who have been shaken and confused by all of this will recover. I will be listening to David Nathan on YouTube in the future. It is so rare to find anyone preaching the truth as you say. God bless you.
I have watched most, if not all, of David Nathan’s teachings. He is not a false teacher. In fact, I believe he is one of the most sound teachers I have ever listened to. He loves God. You can see it in his face (countenance) and hear it in his voice/words.
The thing about David Nathan is that everything he teaches comes straight from the Bible. I don’t know how many of his sermons/teachings you’ve watched, but he uses massive amounts of scripture in each one. And he makes sure everyone understands the context of the verses. He also encourages the people who are there present in his church to ask questions/participate, while he is teaching. You won’t see that in any other church because it’s all about what the preacher has to say and not what anyone else in the church might have questions about. Sadly.
You are right concerning David’s teaching about the millennium. He repeatedly said, “this is my theory, not theology,” He was sharing his theory, I believe, as an encouragement to believers. Not to promote some wild unbiblical view of the millennium, but rather to give us an idea of what we can look forward to in the future.
As for Jacob Prasch, I don’t know enough about him or his teachings to make a judgment either way. I’m not particularly fond of his teaching style, so I’ve only listened to a few of his videos. He does has some interesting ones. However, I tend to gravitate towards David Nathan because he’s a much better teacher, but mainly because the Spirit in me confirms/agrees with the truth he teaches.
I believe that what has happened is a direct attack of the enemy using the pride and ambition of those in Moriel to try to discredit David Nathan because they know he preaches truth. The truth is the last thing the enemy wants anyone to hear. So what better way to try to confuse people is to promote division between Moriel and David. But I see this also as a separation of the goats from the sheep. Not only is this happening within the mainstream church and the true remnant, but perhaps now within the remnant to weed out those may not truly be of the remnant. THat’s a mouthful, I know.
Anyway, sorry for the lengthy comment. I’m glad you shared David’s response. It shows his humility and willingness to be corrected if wrong, and also where his heart is in all of this.