DOES JACOB PRASCH REALLY CARE ABOUT DOCTRINE? MORIEL MINISTRIES? ~by Treena Gisborn

“Perhaps this is the right time to clarify that I do not have a “vendetta” against Jacob Prasch as has been circulated by some. I have simply exposed the errors contained within intra-seal, Prasch’s ecumenical associations and his hypocrisy. I do not like false teachers, particularly those who are enemies of the remnant church. Other than the above, I have no interest in Jacob Prasch whatsoever.” 

 

I have previously warned that Jacob Prasch will be sharing a platform with ecumenical “prophet” David Noakes whom he regards as a “valid prophetic voice”, at Moriel’s Scottish Conference in November. {1} Noakes’ first person extra biblical prophecies should be of great concern to anyone supporting Moriel. We know that the canon of scripture is complete and that any prophecy should be tested against the scriptures. (1 John 4:4) These extra biblical “revelations” from Noakes concerning Britain are highly irregular for two reasons. Firstly he is ecumenical, which as many will appreciate, precludes him from the office of “prophet”, and in fact even puts doubt upon his faith as a genuine believer. Secondly, Noakes’ prophecies concerning Britain have no foundation in the scriptures. The Bible contains all the revelation we need for life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3). The Word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword (Hebrews 4:12). The Bible is “useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
This is not the first time that Prasch has supported an ecumenical teacher! He openly supports ecumenist and false prophet Clifford Hill founder of Issachar Ministries and Prophecy Today. His baffling endorsement of ecumenist Chuck Smith is another blatant case in point. {2} More recently, Prasch’s endorsement of Billy Graham’s false ministry as portrayed by Jackie Alnor is also inexplicable considering his previous criticism of Graham. {3}
The Plank in Jacob Prasch’s Eye
Apart from his ecumenical associations, Jacob Prasch’s intra seal theory is a preposterous denial of the gospel! It is a perverse doctrine that cuts unbelievers off from God during the final seven years of history, the period known as Daniel’s seventieth week. Intra-seal has been taught by Prasch several times dogmatically. It is important to make the distinction that David Nathan (Bread of Life Ministries South Africa) proposed his millennium theory as his own opinion. He has repeated this proviso on a number of occasions. Intra-seal is more dangerous than Nathan’s millennium error since it concerns the salvation of unbelievers inthis age. Prasch teaches John Nelson Darby’s pre-trib error that the Holy Spirit is the“restrainer” of 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3. There is absolutely no foundation for this view in the scriptures. Prasch also teaches that the Holy Spirit will be taken from the world, that there will be no church (since when did believers cease to be the church?), there will be no gospel, grace will come to an end, there will be no conviction of sin etc. for these final seven years. How then will unbelievers be saved during the 70th week, and where does it say any of these things in the scriptures? Shall we write off unbelievers during the 70th week on Prasch’s say so?

As far as I am aware, David Nathan has not challenged intra-seal directly. However, on at least one occasion he has categorically stated that the “restrainer” of 2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 is the Archangel Michael and not the Holy Spirit. On a past video recording, he explained the phrase: “At that time”, confirming that Daniel 12:1 refers to Israel and the end times, and that Michael will “stand aside” (Hebrew amad): “That is who is restraining, it is Michael, the angel that God has set over his people Israel.” David Nathan has not only confirmed the pre-wrath position, he has also confirmed that a seven year tribulation is definitely not found in the scriptures. As such he rejects intra-seal by default. The YouTube video in question has unfortunately been deleted: Eschataology Part 7 (The seven seals). {4}

David Nathan’s lack of support for intra-seal may be a factor explaining why he really fell out of favour with Prasch who does not like to be gainsaid. This very subject was brought up by Lifestyle C who no longer endorse David Nathan since Prasch’s termination of their association:

Danie Strydom, Lifestyle C: “With this response by Jacob we concur although we personally have more questions outstanding currently that have not been answered to satisfaction in our own context in South Africa on teachings on Prayer as well as Reformed Theology andthe Angel as Restrainer with which we differ with David and which has also led to this decision!” {5}

It would be very helpful to get more clarification from David Nathan on his intra-seal views, although perhaps he considers that a counter attack upon Prasch’s dubious eschatology is unwise at this time (?)

The primary requirement for anyone pronouncing judgement on another is that the “judge”does not have the same or a worse sin in their own lives. In fact Matthew 7:1-5 promises that hypocritical judgements upon others will bring about judgement upon ourselves. Jacob Prasch has put himself in a very perilous position before God a number of times, but it seems to have peaked out in his attack upon David Nathan. Considering Prasch’s undeniable ecumenical associations and his own false intra-seal theory that he teaches dogmatically, is Prasch in a position to judge David Nathan on any level? He is clearly not qualified to take the “splinter” out of David Nathan’s eye. Even if he were in a position to expose Nathan’s error, which he is not, the manner this has been executed has reinforced him as a particularly unpleasant character together with his henchman Servus Christi aka Joshua Chavez. Moriel already has a reputation as an abusive ministryAn abuser is called a “reviler”in the scriptures and Christians are warned against associations with such people. (1 Corinthians 5:11)

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. 
(Matthew 7:1-5).

Pulpit Commentary: “..the passage as a whole does not say that we never ought to try to remove such “motes,” but that this is monstrous and almost impossible so long as we ourselves have a fault of so much magnitude as censoriousness.” 

Gills Exposition: “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye,…. Very rightly does our Lord call such a man an hypocrite, who is very free in remarking and reproving other men’s sins, and covering his own; and indeed, one end of his critical observations, rigid censures, and rash judgments is, that he might be thought to be holier than he is.”

Matthew Poole’s Commentary: “That it is notorious impudence to pretend to censure and judge others for sins in which we live ourselves.” 

“a perverse judge..” {6}

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. (Romans 2:1 cf . John 8:7).

I do have reservations about the ministry of David Nathan due to the views he proposed about animal sacrifices and the Blood of Christ in the Millennium, albeit that he has now modified those views. The more recent vicious revelations exposed by Moriel TV about clothing/cloths being infused with healing power was retracted by Nathan some years ago apparently.
David Nathan’s full apology on Bill Randles blog does show a humility I have rarely, if ever, seen in a bible teacher. I think he deserves credit and encouragement for this. True followers of Jesus Christ surely do not want him to be completely cast down beyond measure. None of us are without sin.. we would not want our own failings aired in such a vicious manner! The Lord’s blessing and help will surely be there for anyone who is willing to humble himself so publicly and completely. I have to admire David Nathan for this.

15th October 2018

Dear Pastor Bill

Thank you for the spirit in which your open letter has been written and the grace extended to me, to publically express my position and understanding of animal sacrifices and the Blood of Christ in the Millennium which has caused much unwanted consternation and strife amongst the brethren. This was never my intention and if I could, I would turn the clock back and do things very differently. I also want to apologise publicly if I appeared to come across in the teachings as arrogant and prideful as I certainly never intended to be, for my desire is to reflect Jesus at all times although I am aware I often fall short.

Sadly this unpleasant circumstance has exposed the hearts of numerous believers and many have brought a serious indictment against the Church of Jesus because of their conduct and responses, I do not exclude myself.

For this, I cannot take the blame exclusively as there is a correct and biblical way to deal with disagreement and error which was not followed. I do not write this as a justification or a defence but rather as a warning that what has transpired between myself and Moriel must never be repeated again for sake of our testimony to the world and those of the flock who have been badly shaken.

To begin with, I want to acknowledge that I made some very dogmatic statements which instead of giving emphasis to what I was try to explain, had the complete opposite effect and misconstrued what I was trying to convey. For this, I want to unreservedly and wholeheartedly apologise.

I am extremely grateful that you acknowledge that I do not teach that there is salvation except through the shed blood of Jesus and that the whole concern is regarding the Blood of Jesus and salvation in the Millennium alone.

The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, “The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.”

In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology.

I only offer the above as an explanation of why I used the phrase and not as an excuse for trying to justify using it. I was wrong to use it as it does not, nor ever did convey what I actually believe regarding the eternal cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus which alone removes sin for all ages.

I sincerely apologise for misrepresenting my beliefs and using a phrase that instead of explaining what I believed rather distorted them and led to confusion among believers and dissension between myself and Moriel Ministries. Moriel TV very unfortunately produced a highly edited video that took various statements that I had made out of context which only exasperated the issue. (They have done this on more than one occasion since Tim Wirth was replaced)

The motive for this remains unclear as in response to my meeting with Jacob in May, Jacob Prasch himself admitted in an email dated 22 July 2018, and I quote, “The best I could gauge the situation personally was that he partially misrepresented his own actual beliefs in the manner he addressed an important theological issue and was to some degree misunderstood. David Nathan does subscribe to the Moriel statement of Faith that The Blood of Christ cleanses from all Sin.”

I add this not as an excuse for poorly communicating my beliefs as already mentioned but rather to evidence that for reasons never disclosed, Moriel TV sought fit to produce a biased video that exaggerated the error out of context.

I have already and will continue to re-edit these teachings to remove anything that contradicts what I have conveyed above.

Regarding Moriel’s video comparing me to Benny Hinn in an old teaching I did in 2009. I want to state that I no longer believe what I taught and berate myself for still even believing that in 2009.

I can categorically state that I absolutely do not teach this anymore and I have edited the video in question to reflect this and will go through old teachings to make sure that this does not appear. I have issued an apology already for this and gladly do it again.

I do hope that this letter serves to remind us all that none of us is above correction nor do any one of us know all truth as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 13:12 but we are all to be teachable and be willing to learn. Where we err we must repent and apologise where necessary.

Thank you Pastor Bill for making this platform available.

May the Lord continue to mature us and keep us by His grace until we all come to the knowledge of the truth.

Blessings in Jesus who alone bore our sins and purchased eternal life for them that will believe,

David Nathan. {7}

Perhaps this is the right time to clarify that I do not have a “vendetta” against Jacob Prasch as has been circulated by some. I have simply exposed the errors contained within intra-seal, Prasch’s ecumenical associations and his hypocrisy. I do not like false teachers, particularly those who are enemies of the remnant church. Other than the above, I have no interest in Jacob Prasch whatsoever.

{1} https://www.moriel.org/
{2} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/08/was-chuck-smith-ecumenical-jacob-prasch.html
{3} http://christiansentinel.com/2018/02/22/legacy-billy-graham/
{4} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmUbFG064X8
{5} http://lifestylec.com/a-scriptural-response-to-david-nathan-his-proponents-by-jacob-prasch/
{6} https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-5.htm
{7} https://www.facebook.com/john8v32/posts/2779900135357176

https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/10/does-jacob-prasch-really-care-about.html?fbclid=IwAR1xhRWb9clOQYKpllCXXSALuHQ5yiaWEGF6vZL9Pwnnmc_IJzJ_ARc4yIU

2 thoughts on “DOES JACOB PRASCH REALLY CARE ABOUT DOCTRINE? MORIEL MINISTRIES? ~by Treena Gisborn

  1. Treena, I had started an article specifically on David Nathan and his continual reply to Jacob Prash/Moriel to try and reconcile and be open to correction, now I no longer need to, thank you. David Nathan’s appeal to reconciliation and correction have been meant with silence. Prasch is quick to spew out a video crying heretic but never mentions the fact that Nathan has asked for reconciliation every time. This then becomes just a platform he uses to malign David Nathan further and seems to have no qualms whatsoever with how this has and is affecting the body. Although I think he has finally taken notice that some of the body has had enough of him. He also seems completely uninterested in any reconciliation nor has an interest in any corrective action David Nathan would or has made. Once he labels someone a heretic, which he was very quick to do with Nathan (then again he does that with many), they are apparently anathema to him and there is no longer any place for repentance or reconciliation. But of course we also know that Jacob says the Bible commands us to have a “critical” spirit using and twisting Hebrews 4:12 to say that we are commanded to have “critical” spirit. Hebrews 4:12 is referencing what the WORD of God does, it’s not a commandment for us to have a critical spirit. The only reason I can think of that he has chosen to make this verse a commandment for us, is that is fits his own nature as critical and not in a good sense.
    Listen https://youtu.be/f5ZWwKJ_510 starting at the 6:09 minute mark

  2. Thank you again both. I have come in for some flack which is not surprising. Thank you for highlighting the final paragraph. God bless.

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