The Erring Seven Pt 2

Another fundamental problem with Jacob Prasch, David Lister, John Haller, Bill Randles, Ian Huxham , Amos Farrell, and Marco Quintana, is the lack of maturity.

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” – Hebrews 5:12-14

Christian maturity is measured by one’s capacity to discern both Good and Evil. Discernment is not achieved by the level of knowledge obtained through study; it is by reason of use of that knowledge studied that hones the gift of discernment. You only really know what is applied and practiced, head knowledge adds little to one’s spiritual stature. The level of one’s spiritual maturity is reflected in one’s ability to discern Good and Evil.

By reason of “use” (hexis) is power acquired by practice, that power being discernment, the ability to distinguish between what is genuine and approvable and what is pernicious and destructive, to possess understanding in these matters and make sound judgments. These are the hallmarks of maturity. It also gives you the ability to discriminate between sound and flawed doctrine, and between healthy and objectionable behavior. Something the erring seven are lacking.

If you cannot discern bad behavior, but enable, condone, and provide a platform for a man such as Prasch, who has no control over his mouth, and is destructive towards the members of Christ’s body, your maturity level is simply that of a tot, a preschooler at best.

And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.” – Ephesians 4:11-13

Again we find three main purpose for ministry:

  1. Equipping the saints
  2. Work of the ministry
  3. Edifying the body

These are the sole purpose of those in ministry, all of which build the body up into unity. Yet the erring seven, directly or indirectly have participated in the destruction of individuals who are members of Christ’s body. Church leadership are to cultivate the individual and incorporate ministries of those he or she leads, the end game is maturity, stability, and integrity. Unifying the body simply means every member’s individual experience results in the corporate growth of the body as a whole.

It appears that the erring seven are more occupied with building their own legacy, and Prasch himself does more tearing down than building. If you read on in the text:

“that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting , but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head – Christ.” – Ephesians 4:14-15

Maturity is the end game here, but when lead by men who have the temperament and disposition of a tot, false doctrine and division are inevitable. And when you consider the fact that the erring seven respond to questioning and criticism with ad hominem bouts, the picture becomes clear, they are not about the building of Christ body, they are about elitism, untouchables, traits of immaturity, pride and arrogance.

Much of Jacob Prasch’s doctrine when held under the microscope of God’s Word creates more questions than answers. And it has been well established that he has little patience with questions, and when discerners corner him he lashes out in fits and rants rather than dispel their curiosities with biblical truth. But then, there is the problem, much of his doctrine is flawed and his over sensitivity causes him to react when a question differs from his own dogma. To answer scripturally would only prove himself in error.

Below is an excerpt from a comment Jacob Prasch left on Treena Gisborn’s site over an article she wrote raising questions concerning Prasch’s Intra-seal rapture theory.

“However, I very frankly find it quite difficult to find much patience for people who ascribe to me or to others things we do not believe or distort things I/we did say out of context. There are too many Christians (and not all of them women) who instead of prioritizing evangelism, missions, helping the persecuted church, etc. and genuinely preparing the way for the Return of Jesus in any true scriptural sense, instead spend ages wandering into the blogosphere imagining that they are somehow serving God in the process.”

In Christ,
Jacob Prasch
Moriel

11 July 2016 at 12:41

If Prasch really believes his last statement then he himself should shut down Moriel.tv, stop posting videos on the net and go prioritize evangelism, missions, and help the persecuted church. Websites, blog sites, they both serve the same purpose, to get the message out. His hypocrisy is that bloggers have no spiritual value yet somehow his site does. These types of statements are meant to deflect from his own doctrinal inaccuracies and is his oscillating system of posturing. As Treena Gisborn stated: Jacob is disparaging about anyone in the “blogosphere” discussing the scriptures1, especially when he is wrong.

The Holy Spirit as the restrainer, the reversal of Pentecost is but a few of his doctrinal views in question, views which cannot be substantiated by Scriptures. Like the theory of evolution where there is no association between the metamorphose of the species, when comparing John 16:8 with 2 Thessalonians 2:7 the conviction of the Holy Spirit does not equal restraining. There is nothing linking these two verses together but Jacob Prasch’s imagination. One is enlightenment, the other suppression, one is a revealing, the other a covering. Yet the erring six just sit idly by, blinking while truth is dismissed.

So, let me define a heretic for you here: “Heresy is any provocative belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs and a heretic is a proponent of such claims or beliefs.” So, by my estimation the name Jacob James Prasch equals = heretic. The question is, what does that make of the erring six? I’ll leave that to you! When you add to his many rants of the Jezebel “spirit” and Ahab “spirit,” another unsubstantiated biblical view, 1+1 comes into view, Jacob’s vain imagination, as Jezebels is not a spirit, nor is Ahab, and they have been dead for millennium’s. The Jezebel mentioned in Revelation 2:20 was given space to repent, Demons/spirits are not granted repentance. The erring seven can be described with one verse. “These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage.” – Jude 16 Any leader who teaches things which are not applicable to spiritual growth, who practice licentious behavior are to be rejected.

“This is a faithful say: If a man desires the position of a bishop (overseer), he desires a good work. A bishop (overseer) MUST be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having h is children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, who will he take care of the church of God?); not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover, he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.” – 1 Timothy 3:1-7

The verse above are what I call a biblical grade card for church leadership. They are not a “thus saith Mike Rogers” but “thus saith the LORD” requirements for overseers. Now Jacob might say he is not an overseer as he does not pastor. There are only five oversight offices in the church, Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher. If he does not fit into one of these he should retire and go home.

Hebrews 13:7 says; “Remember t hose who rule (lead) over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their faith.”

The word (considering) is “anatheōreō” in the Greek meaning to look attentively. In other words, the people of God are to follow God’s prescribed leadership, but not blindly. Discernment is needed so as to not be deceived by one that is a false teacher, prophet, etc. All in leadership live in a glass house so to speak, if they don’t meet the requirements of 1 Timothy 3 no requirement is placed on a believer to follow. Don’t get me wrong, no man is perfect, but where Jacob Prasch is concerned, he fails in most of the requirements listed. This is observed publicly in his videos. Jacob’s own demeanor disqualifies him from ministry. Adding that he lashes out at any in the body of Christ with fits of rage calling them Jezebels and Ahab’s if they challenge him. But as noted above, he is in ministry because of advantage. Personally, I don’t believe truth is his first love.

The bottom line is only those who exhibit maturity in behavior and doctrine should be entrusted with the responsibility of leadership. And God has provided the believer with a magnifying glass of requirements to gauge whether one is worthy or not. Jacob is not! And the erring seven are lumped together as they all profess friendship and loyalty to one another. The good ol boy network so to speak. It is the one thing crippling the church in the modern age. Our loyalty is first to Jesus Christ and His Word. Secondly to all those who are taking the oversight and then to each other. It is truth that binds us together in the common salvation. So I’m sorry if I say a para-church much like that of Moriel is more of a parasite rather than a nourishing compere.

…and so the saga continues, Jacob Prasch the crack pot of the erring seven and the others his lapdogs…as Jacob loves to say about others.

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7 thoughts on “The Erring Seven Pt 2

  1. Excellent article Mike.
    I found a key instance of their inability to discern evil was John Haller’s FBC colleague Mike Clapham praying very specifically this on March 17th 2019:
    “Father, let’s remember to only treat professing believers like unbelievers if they live like unbelievers for a period of time and refuse to repent of that unbelieving lifestyle.”
    Then the next weekend Prasch (who you could say his prayer described to a T) rolls in to teach his church! https://vimeo.com/326067209
    On one level it is comical, but on another it is painful to see a wolf come in and roam around the church, after the supposed guardians of the sheep have opened the gate and invited the sheep to come watch the wolf.

  2. Thanks to you Mike and Frank, appreciate your hard work exposing Jacob. Also Treena and Tbckawaii. Been following you all over the last month’s.

    Praying that more will escape the echo chamber.

  3. Proof Jacob tells lies. This is from August 2014, listen at 35 mins into video. Jacob justifies his ministry saying he is not pastoral, excusing his railing!

    Then on this video from September 2015 he says he is pastoral.From around 27-29 mins .

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