JOHN HALLER AND JACOB PRASCH: THE RAPTURE QUESTION? By Treena Gisborn

Great article Treena!! Thanks you.

Two prewrath rapture teachers will be speaking at the 2019 Columbus Bible Prophecy Conference hosted by Fellowship Bible Chapel in October 2019. Alan Kurschner (Eschatos Ministries), and Charles Cooper (founder and director of the Prewrath Resource Institute of Orlando) {1} This is a definite step in the right direction for John Haller (pastor/elder of FBC), who has been very thick with Jacob Prasch (Moriel Ministries) in the past. Does this latest development signify a cooling off in the relationship between Haller and Prasch? Prasch was a speaker at FBC as recently as March of this year.

The pre-wrath rapture position was developed by Robert Van Kampen during the 1970’s. I am at a loss to understand why Jacob Prasch is in denial about this fact. Prasch gives all the credit for prewrath to those who cannot legitimately take the credit for it i.e. Tregelles (misspelled “Tregellas/Tregallis”) and CS Lovett. {2} In fact, Tregelles was post-tribulational and had nothing whatsoever to do with the development of prewrath. Lovett’s version of prewrath differs significantly from the prewrath position as we know it today. Lovett extended the tribulation to the entirety of the 70th week of Daniel and put the rapture at the end of this period. According to Lovett, the wrath of God is poured out after the 70th week. The church therefore escapes the wrath, but goes through a supposed seven year tribulation. As I have previously stated, the pioneer of the prewrath rapture view as we know it today was undoubtedly Robert Van Kampen who was later supported by Marvin Rosenthall. The fact that Prasch disputes these simple facts is a testimony to his duplicitous character.

Jacob Prasch has hatched his own very own rapture theory that he has designated “intra-seal” in a conceited attempt to get it recognised as a credible thesis. In reality, Prasch’s muddled theory is a corruption of the prewrath position. Prasch is an opportunist whose theory is an unoriginal mishmash between prewrath and pre-trib. He has taken the timing of the rapture from the prewrath camp, hence his claim that prewrath and intra seal are two variations of the same fundamental position. {3} This claim is an insult to prewrath scholarship. I haven’t noticed any prewrath scholars rushing to agree with Prasch about the alleged similarities between prewrath and intra-seal. Ironically, in an attempt to promote his own gibberish, Prasch has the audacity to point out where prewrath scholars supposedly “get it wrong”! Today’s prewrath scholars are, in my view, very careful in their exegesis, and unlike Prasch, they can back up their assertions with the scriptures.
 
*Prasch’s pneumatology is copied from cult leader John Nelson Darby, who was the first person to claim that the Restrainer of 2 Thessalonians is the Holy Spirit. Prewrath teachers generally maintain that the Archangel Michael is the Restrainer, and although they are not dogmatic, there is scriptural evidence to support this view.

*Prasch oscillates confusingly between a supposed seven year tribulation (pre-trib), and a three and a half year tribulation (prewrath).{4}

*Prasch differs with prewrath position regarding the timing of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 despite demonstrable proof that the two witnesses will be in Jerusalem during the second half of the 70th week of Daniel. {5}

The danger of Prasch’s intra seal theory is that it adds to the general confusion surrounding the 70th week of Daniel. Intra-seal may actually work against the purposes of God and have the effect of strengthening the false pre-tribulation rapture theory which has such a stronghold on the Western church. Prasch has done no-one any favours with his wacky theory. Furthermore, no one, even within Moriel, with the exception of Prasch himself, appears to understand intra-seal. Like Darby’s pre-trib rapture deception, intra-seal is nothing more than an exercise in pseudo academic vainglory and should be treated as such. I regard this whole sorry theory as a presumptuous misrepresentation of the Holy Spirit. (2 Corinthians 11:4).

Prasch: “Pentecost is reversed… the same as Jesus went and sent the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit goes and sends Jesus. In that interim period you have a powerless church that cannot fulfil its mission any more… The Holy Spirit will not be taken from the hearts of true believers but He will be taken from the world (Gen 6:32 Th 2:6). God will, as it were, return to an Old Covenant dealing with man..” {6} None of these claims can be validated by the scriptures. (1 John 4:1).

On an even more ridiculous note, Prasch insists that he had the timing of the rapture sorted out before anyone else!

9th August 2016:

Prach: “LONG BEFORE the term ‘pre-wrath’ was crystallised… I and others like me.. BEFORE pre-wrath came into vogue, BEFORE the term was coined, I believed that the rapture was between the sixth and seventh seal.. I and others have ALWAYS believed that the rapture will not take place until the faithful church knows who the Antichrist is .. I believed it BEFORE pre-wrath was even termed ‘pre wrath’ and believed it BEFORE those books that launched pre-wrath were written.” {7}

As I have pointed out previously, this is yet another one of Prasch’s dubious claims:

“Let us do a little calculation shall we? Jacob Prasch claims that he became a Christian in February of 1972 through The Children of God cult. After leaving The Children of God, he admits to getting caught up in various false teachings during the following five years.{1} That brings us to 1977. Robert Van Kampen taught and developed what is known today as the ‘pre-wrath’ rapture during the 1970s, and Marvin Rosenthal eventually published his book The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church in 1990.{2} Is JP seriously expecting us to believe that he had his eschatology all sorted out during the 1970’s prior to Van Kampen and Rosenthall? There were two views of the rapture prior the 1970’s: The classic post-tribulational view, and Darby’s false pre-tribulational view which became popular after the 1830s. Dispensationalist Robert Gundry also modified the post-trib position to take account of the 7th seal. I am not aware of anyone preaching a rapture in between the 6th and 7th seal of Revelation pre-dating Gundry, Van Kampen and Rosenthall, and yet JP says that he and some mysterious ‘others’ believed this view. It does not add up does it? Perhaps this is JP’s nod to his Irish descent since it is clearly a bit of Irish blarney! I do not like to call anyone an outright liar, but I do not know what else to call this piece of fiction!” {8}

Speculation about Prasch’s claimed “Jewish descent” has also come into question recently. {11} It appears that Prasch not only has a fake Jewish identity, he has a fake rapture theory to match!

John Haller: “Without truth your love isn’t worth very much.” (53:00) {9}

John Haller and other Prasch supporters have been very remiss in not presenting ALL the facts about Jacob Prasch in their attempted defamation of David Nathan. As an attorney, Haller should know the value of presenting ALL the evidence in any given dispute. Unfortunately he has been one of Prasch’s shills for some considerable time, along with Amos Farrell, Joshua Chavez (or whatever he calls himself), Marco Quintana, Ian Huxham and Bill Randles. Incidentally Bill Randles now says: “I deeply regret much of my involvement with Jacob”. {10}

Hopefully the 2019 Columbus Bible Prophecy Conference will redress Prasch’s false teaching and bring some sanity to the rapture question.

1. http://fbchapel.com/content/2019-columbus-bible-prophecy-conference
2. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/08/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-and-his.html
3. https://web.archive.org/web/20190119230115/http://www.moriel.org/component/k2/itemlist/tag/
prewrath.html
4. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/07/jacob-prasch-make-up-your-mind-how-long.html
5. https://prewrathrapture.com/the_two_witnesses_minister_during_the_sep
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8BousC77kU7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3iu1t6kh-I&feature=youtu.be
8. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/08/moriel-gets-questioned-jacob-praschs.html
9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTBziQz3D7o
10. https://vimeo.com/345492408/comments?fbclid=IwAR373BDgexrFpmkg0QhXz8K9K6_NEwAw33PNTt0kRjPP6dZbPNtPWwG_rBU
11. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/is-jacob-prasch-fake-jew.html

8 thoughts on “JOHN HALLER AND JACOB PRASCH: THE RAPTURE QUESTION? By Treena Gisborn

  1. There are a number of differences between prewrath and intra-seal ng. The errors associated with intra-seal are too many to go into here. Please refer to:

    I am convinced that the timing of the rapture is pre-wrath i.e. in between the 6th and 7th seal of Revelation. The wrath of God is poured out after the rapture according the prewrath view. Prasch’s theory coincides with this timing, but his other assertions are wrong in many other respects.
    People often mistake the wrath of God (orge), with the great tribulation (thlipsis). I believe that true believers will suffer during the great tribulation, and that many will be martyred. However, the scriptures are clear that there will be a rapture for those believers who survive this period.
    I suggest that you take the time to study the prewrath position. Paul Dorgan has done some very good seminars on YouTube.. or alternatively anything by Alan Kurschner is worth reading.

  2. So, I have a question? What’s the difference between pre-wrath and intra seal? Seems to me they are only a little bit apart, and they are both receiving the ‘wrath’ of God. I don’t understand why people believe that the church will be going through any part of the judgment on the world for rejecting Jesus Christ and His salvation through grace by believing the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Who will go through Jacob’s trouble? Israel who rejected Messiah, and the apostate church. I don’t think you can be dogmatic on your ‘opinion’ of when you believe the Harpazo happens. “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thess.5:9. “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from the wrath through him.” Romans 5:9. (wrath: anger, vengeance, indignation) : “But when he saw many of the Pharisees, and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” Matthew 3:7 “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess. 1:10. “And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitting on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” Revelation 1:17. These people have gone through a lot already between Rev. 6:1-15. They finally realize it is God’s judgment on them. The souls in verse 9 under the alter got saved by faith in Jesus and their testimony during this terrible time. They all died. In verse 11 it says after they asked, “How, long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth” verse 11b says, “until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.” No believer’s are going to survive, they will all be killed and there will no one to rapture. The Day of the Lord is the wrath of God. The book of Joel 2 & 3 don’t sound like a picnic. Just sayin~

  3. The “Rapture”, if you want to call it that does happen between opening of 6th. & 7th. Seals. The one who is letting the mystery of iniquity work in 2 Thess. 2. Is being taken out of the way by Michael and his Angels, they are casting the Devil, and his angels to earth Then shall that wicked be revealed. The wicked, being the Anti-Christ. After he steps into the temple of God showing himself that he is God, Jesus returns and gives him a deadly wound to his head, he stays wounded for thirty days, during that thirty day period Jesus gathers the 144,000 and seals their foreheads with the name of God. Then, are the multitudes taken into heaven.

  4. Mike and Pat, you saw the annoying comments of one called “Tim”? And the terrible comment Bill made to the poor soul that lost a friend to suicide? What sin do can we commit to be not saved anymore? A lot of scared Christians out there working hard to maintain their faith so they won’t lose the precious Salvation Christ Jesus paid for. It makes me sick, and you can’t change their minds either. They don’t have much faith in God, and the precious blood of Christ. Sorta of a Catholic light, not even understanding 1 John 1:7-9.. These teaching came from Augustine

  5. lol, I couldn’t have said it better!!! I read Bill’s article and the comments, how it cheapens the sufficiency of Christ’s atoning work on the Cross. “In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION; in whom also, having BELIEVED you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory” – Ephesians 1:13-14

  6. I have learned not to argue with anyone who thinks they know everything. One thing is certainly for sure, most people are learning some sort of false teaching, most people. “And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four (Rev. 4:4) and twenty (Acts 1:15) elders (presbyteros) fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints. And THEY sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed US to God by the blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made US unto our God kings and priests: and WE shall reign on the hearth.” Revelation 5:9-10. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2248&t=KJV. On another subject here we see another gospel: https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2019/09/07/whoever-goes-on-believing-goes-on-having-eternal-life/

  7. I have revised the first paragraph of this post:

    Two prewrath rapture teachers will be speaking at the 2019 Columbus Bible Prophecy Conference hosted by Fellowship Bible Chapel between the 11-13th of October. Alan Kurschner (Eschatos Ministries), and Charles Cooper (founder and director of the Prewrath Resource Institute of Orlando). {1} This is (hopefully?) a definite step in the right direction for John Haller (pastor/elder of FBC), who has been very thick with Jacob Prasch (Moriel Ministries) in the past. Does this latest development signify cooling off in the relationship between Haller and Prasch, or will there be a further attempt to promote Prasch’s rapture theory as a plausible variation of prewrath just prior to the Columbus Conference? Prasch was a speaker at FBC as recently as March of this year, and Haller will be a speaker at Moriel’s Canadian Conference on the 4th and 5th of October.

  8. I don’t believe in pre-wrath or intra seal. I DO believe that the rapture will happen BEFORE the entire 7 year judgment. I have heard J.P. teach that the first 3 1/2 years won’t be so bad. Really? He also seems to teach you can loose your salvation. I don’t believe that anyone who is truly born (John 3:3) can loose their salvation. That would be part of the Calvinist teaching that doing good works proves your a Christian. So much false teaching and so much confusion everywhere. Augustine was a false prophet.

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