JOEL RICHARDSON & DALTON THOMAS: MARANATHA BIBLE STUDY – SOME DIFFICULT QUESTIONS ~ By Treena Gisborn

One of the Most Important End-Time Prophecies in the Bible You’ve Probably Never Heard Of – YouTube

Joel Richardson and Dalton Thomas have been engaged on a series entitled A Roadmap to Explore the Book of Revelation. (Maranatha Global Bible Study – FAI Studios). In this particular video, Dalton Thomas examines the very difficult passage of Daniel 8:9-14 and its relation to Revelation 12. He goes on to identify the “restrainer” in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8as Satan.9From one of these horns a little horn emerged and grew extensively toward the south and the east and toward the Beautiful Land. 10It grew as high as the host of heaven, and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the earth, and trampled them. 11It magnified itself, even to the Prince of the host; it removed His daily sacrifice and overthrew the place of His sanctuary. 12And in the rebellion, the host and the daily sacrifice were given over to the horn, and it flung truth to the ground and prospered in whatever it did.13Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long until the fulfillment of the vision of the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host to be trampled?”14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be properly restored.” (Daniel 8:9-14).And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (Revelation 12:9).

Dalton Thomas does not see a connection between Daniel 8:9-12 and Revelation 12:9. I agree that there does not seem to be a connection between these two passages. Daniel 8:9-10 concerns “the little horn” (the Antichrist), and Revelation 12:9 concerns “the great dragon” (Satan). Dalton Thomas’ interpretation of Daniel 8:9-12 is that the Antichrist will cast down and trample the saints during the tribulation period, and he makes a connection with the saints in Daniel 12:3 ~ who will shine like the stars of heaven. I am not 100% sure about this interpretation. The “saints” (the wise) are not literally “the host”, they are “like the host”, and they are on the earth: And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. (Daniel 12:3). A literal interpretation of Daniel 8:9-12 suggests that the Antichrist literally casts down some of the host and some of the stars to earth and tramples them. This seems to equate to angelic beings literally cast down and trampled by the Antichrist. Angels are fully engaged in the cosmic battle between God and Satan and it does not seem incomprehensible that some will be cast down and trampled (temporarily). (Daniel 10:13Revelation 12:7). Daniel 7:25 says that the Antichrist will wear out the saints of the Most High. The Antichrist will make war on the saints.. i.e. those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. (Revelation 12:17). These descriptions about the persecution of the saints do not seem to fit with the Antichrists action of casting some of the stars to earth. I am wary about a definitive interpretation of this verse. 

At around the 46:00 mark, Dalton Thomas begins to introduce some very blurred distinctions between Satan and the Antichrist. 

It became great, even as great as the Prince of the host. And the regular burnt offering was taken away from him, and the place of his sanctuary was overthrown. (Daniel 8:11). 

This verse refers to the removal of the daily sacrifice and the overthrow of the earthly temple in Jerusalem. Dalton Thomas refers to two sanctuaries; the heavenly sanctuary of the little horn, and the trampling of the temple in Jerusalem. There is no indication that the little horn is “forced out of his sanctuary”Daniel 8:11 and Revelation 12:12-13 are not the same event although they are obviously connected. Satan is cast down to the earth from heaven, and almost simultaneously, the Antichrist overthrows the earthly temple i.e. the sanctuary. I do not see “the sanctuary of the little horn” or even “the sanctuary of Satan” in heaven in the scriptures; I only see the sanctuary of God in heaven and its counterpart on the earth. (Hebrews 9:23-24). As God’s throne is in heaven, Satan has a throneor “seat” on the earth.(Revelation 2:13 cf. Revelation 11:1613:216:10Luke 1:52).Dalton Thomas: “Satan is cast out of heaven.. Satan does not want to lose his position, his abode, his sanctuary, his governmental authority in the heavenly places.. he doesn’t want to lose it or surrender it. He is being forced out.. Satan is restraining the revealing of the Antichrist .. when he (Satan) is cast out of heaven he gives his authority to the beast, and the beast rises.” (1:09 Mark)

Is the Restrainer Satan?

And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8).If we backtrack to 2 Thessalonians 2:3, the “him/he” is identified as the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction, yet to be revealed: 
Let no one deceive you in any way, for it (the Day of the Lord) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed.. (2 Thessalonians 2:3).
2 Thessalonians 2:6 repeats that the man of lawlessness is restrained and will be revealed/uncovered. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 refers to “it” i.e. the mystery of lawlessness as distinct from the Antichrist. The lawless one (the Antichrist) will be revealed when the mystery of lawlessness is released and is no longer restrained. The revealing of the Antichrist depends upon the release of the mystery of lawlessness.. and then (at that time) the lawless one will be revealed. My problem: If Satan releases the Antichrist, then who or what releases the mystery of lawlessness? (Matthew 12:26). 
This scenario also coincides with Satan’s expulsion from heaven.
7Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (Revelation 12:7-9).Dalton Thomas: “The moment that he (Satan) is cast out of heaven is the moment the man of sin is revealed.”(1.15 mark).

Dalton Thomas’ convoluted explanation does not explain who or what expels Satan from heaven, and this question should be our primary concern. 
I am not dogmatic, but it seems more likely that 2 Thessalonians 2:6–7 refers to Michael the archangel as the restrainer for a number of reasons; not least, Michael is the primary opponent of Satan and the protector of Gods people in Daniel 10-12. (See Further Link)
Dalton Thomas’ discussion about Satan at the end of this video is a complete muddle. (1:14 mark) “He (Satan) is cast out of his abode..  he goes forth in great fury devoting many to destruction, and he meets his bitter end at the second coming of Jesus when Jesus comes and destroys him with the breath of His mouth and his appearing and his return.” Thessalonians 2:8 applies to the Antichrist, not to Satan.  
And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming; (2 Thessalonians 2:8).Satan’s demise is not the same as the demise of the Antichrist. Satan is bound for a thousand years after the defeat of the Antichrist and the false prophet in Revelation 19:20Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while. (Revelation 20:1-3).This video is one of the most convoluted teachings I have heard.
Further Link
6 Reasons Why Michael Is the Restrainer | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)

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5 thoughts on “JOEL RICHARDSON & DALTON THOMAS: MARANATHA BIBLE STUDY – SOME DIFFICULT QUESTIONS ~ By Treena Gisborn

  1. In my own humble opinion and from my own research, I think there is good evidence for an islamic ‘Beast’ – whether the one from the sea or the earth, I’m not sure but I did a lot of work researching this a few years ago after spending time with a couple of muslim friends who were trying to convert us as we were trying to convert them (!) and it ‘appeared’ that the one thing we had in common was our eschatology – with a huge twist.

    I learned all I could and found that a couple of my big questions were answered – including why the RIGHT hand and why decapitation… I then found a particular descendent of Mohammed is front and centre of the one world religion movement, having recruited the pope, the Dalai Lama and a whole load more. It’s all very, very interesting and though I made a DVD and shared it at conferences, I don’t go wildly public as we are supposed to be looking for Jesus – as you know!

    He may not be the actual antichrist who will be a man of great charisma and a world leader – this one is a religious man who says all paths lead to God but he does it all in the name of allah the so called merciful etc. Whether he is the false prophet or not, he is still in the forefront of bringing it all together. The antichrist (world leader) himself may well be of Middle Eastern origin as are all the main players in The Bible and I’ve had my eye on Turkey for many, many years – and then somebody else pops up as a contender – however I believe he is in the wings if not already on the world stage but as I say, I need to keep bringing my focus back to The Lord, knowing the other one will be revealed in time! Blessings, Deborah.

  2. Thank you Bethel Communications.. I will be listening to more of his teaching. I’m not convinced about an Islamic Antichrist, but I need to check it out further. God bless.

  3. Thank you for this Treena – I have been disturbed by Dalton Thomas’s teaching for quite a while – I also tried to listen to that video but was becoming too irate as his exegesis was all over the place – and his presupposition that it was a prophecy we’ve probably not heard of was a tad arrogant…

  4. Thank you both for sharing this post. Yesterday I left a comment on their YouTube video and asked Dalton Thomas to address the questions raised due to the confusing nature of his teaching. My comment has since been removed! So much for open discussion! God bless.

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