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Just a few more facts concerning Moriel, Jacob Prasch and David Lister’s questionable dealings with their finances https://www.register.charities.govt.nz/Charity/CC29661?fbclid=IwAR0pq1eSnbPog5ELDhlvlaPzirf6N-PH_-sPXtUT-0FOeAYCZEE7WGaOSaM
One thing known to all of us, is, that we truly do need to be in fellowship with others that are liked minded. Especially when it comes to the deception that is rampant in the church today. For some of us, we just don’t fit anymore, seems like we have forever been altered by what God has brought us through, we feel misshapen and out of place in the pews today. The believers who sit around us, don’t get us. They think we’re odd, out of place, don’t understand why we don’t enter the worship like they do or the church programs, or get involved in the churches politics. We speak of deception in the churches and they look at us like we are literally from another planet. While they may agree with it, if they listen, they have a look of…” what does that have to do with me?….can we get back to the plans for the ladies luncheon or what event our small group is planning???”…… Like a round peg shoved into a square hole and they desire for us to fit into it but we don’t, we can’t.
Psalms 133:1-3 A song of degrees of David. Behold how good and how pleasant for brethren to dwell together in unity!
UNITY: assemble- alike (Strongs)
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard: that went down to the shirts of his garments;
As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon; the mountains of Zion: for there the LROD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
Although we realize that even within the institutional church today there remains believers that are certainly part of the body of Christ. It has become apparent that for many of us who have come out of deception and the institutional church; that it’s not an option to enter back in. We need to truly understand that although we are still a part of the body of Christ, just as those believers who still remain and attend an institutional church are also, we don’t necessarily mix or function well together. We are vastly different in that we now: function, think, walk, talk, operate from a point that is almost foreign and alien to those who go to a church. We are truly a different part of the body and for us to try and acclimate ourselves again to the church “climate” is impossible, for some of us. And that’s ok, we need to try and connect with others of the “same part” (likeminded) of the body of Christ so that we can strengthen and support each other and grow in Him. It’s explained clearly in:
1 Corinthians 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
The entire chapter speaks of our differences and yet all of us are in Him. So it stands to reason that we, who are outside the institutional church aren’t going to fit. We are part of that body that attends one; but we are like a finger trying to fit and grow on a foot, it’s not where we belong. The need to find likeminded believers who have gone through similar things and have an understanding of them is necessary and that can share what God has done for them through it all. We are a part of the whole body of Christ but parts, (in particular) that need each other. We don’t fit any place else, we won’t function properly, we won’t be able to benefit the body if we are not where we are supposed to be.
Eph. 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
We generally don’t see Baptist’s going to a Charismatic church every week or vice versa. Yet they are both considered “parts” of the body of Christ. I hope that all would agree on this. They both stay within the part of the body they belong to and function accordingly and appropriately as intended. So too, I’m beginning to see this also, with those of us who have come out of false doctrine and false teaching and are outside the institutional church walls.
I understand that many or most will look at this and not get it. I’m trying to figure things out within myself and just putting it out there so if anyone wants to weight in, feel free.
One thing known to all of us, is, that we truly do need to be in fellowship with others that are liked minded. Especially when it comes to the deception that is rampant in the church today. For some of us, we just don’t fit anymore, seems like we have forever been altered by what God has brought us through, we feel misshapen and out of place in the pews today. The believers who sit around us, don’t get us. They think we’re odd, out of place, don’t understand why we don’t enter the worship like they do or the church programs, or get involved in the churches politics. We speak of deception in the churches and they look at us like we are literally from another planet. While they may agree with it, if they listen, they have a look of…” what does that have to do with me?….can we get back to the plans…
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There are numerous posts and articles concerning this tragic situation that continues to blind the eyes of many but we continue to pray that more will awake to the deep deception and lies that churches like Bethel produce and feed … Continue reading
I have uncovered several rather eye-opening articles about Jacob Prasch from the late 1990s and early 2000s. This is the eighth in the collection: Jacob Prasch’s group Moriel saw rapid expansion in Australia in the late 1990s, despite Prasch’s explosive behaviour, and his gurning about not receiving enough financial offerings, and being labelled by an Moriel Australia volunteer […]
via The Jacob Prasch Files No.8: Australian Cult Information Service Places Moriel on List of Possible “Extremist Groups/Destructive and Manipulative Sects/Cults/High Pressure Groups.” — PowerPlayPause
During Fall 2018 Jacob Prasch the at-the-time-believed-to-be Jewish-American Bible teacher, sparked a series of witch-hunts on South African minister David Nathan, Scottish Christians Stewart and Deborah Menelaws of Global Vision 24/7 and British Christian group Intercessors For Britain. It caused various people to begin looking into Prasch’s claims that all were heretics or something akin to that. Research found that Prasch had lied about them all (as clear as day in video form). When that evidence was presented, instead of repenting of his exposed sins, Prasch doubled down, and encouraged his followers to do the same.
Catalyst Counselling, a British charity that helps those damaged by abusive religious groups, began investigating Prasch and found him to be guilty of spiritual abuse and bullying “of the worst kind”, and concluded Prasch was not a Christian as he showed non of the fruit of the Spirit the Book of…
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Before I jump into a heavy topic like spiritual abuse I want to be sure to clarify that these blogs are written with the hope that things mentioned (much of which is personal experience not just a random railing against people) would cause people to draw closer to Christ and for people who are not saved, that they would truly begin to ponder their eternities. I am just as wretched as the one who is an enemy of God. Apart from Christ we are all at enmity with God. I am no better of a person than someone who chooses to remain separated from God. I want to make sure this is well understood by the reader as I understand some of my blogs can appear quite harsh at times. The biblical model of Christ Himself and the Apostle Pauls words and actions were very harsh and they…
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Thanks Frank Rogers. Blessings
On Saturday 5th October 2019, John Haller was teaching at Jacob Prasch’s Moriel Canada Conference in Richmond, BC. From there he did his Prophecy Update, his wildly popular and wildly repetitive rehashing of the news, repackaged as Christian discernment (instead of the possible reality of it being closer to TV addiction from a news junkie). […]
Great article Treena!! Thanks you. Two prewrath rapture teachers will be speaking at the 2019 Columbus Bible Prophecy Conference hosted by Fellowship Bible Chapel in October 2019. Alan Kurschner (Eschatos Ministries), and Charles Cooper (founder and director of the Prewrath … Continue reading
Want to thank Christine for an interesting article and add that we have been looking at this lie of the “Jezebel spirit” for several months now. We agree that many, happily, continue to feed this lie to a large portion of Christendom and many are adding to it by saying that there is even an “Ahab spirit” which means that both are now demonic spirits that apparently possess Christians. The money made peddling the books, teachings, DVD’s and other forms of merchandised “Jezebel spirit” is phenomenal and has, for decades, gone unchecked. The lie continues to trap and snare the body of Christ.
Hi, about the time Leanne wrote her post on the Jezebel Spirit, I also was writing a post to follow her soon after. A mite bit later than hoped, here it is…”
a couple of quotes to start the ball rolling…
“Jezebel crushes the will, and especially the will of man to make them passive. Jezebel’s main purpose is to destroy the image of Father God from the earth so that people will not want to reach out to Father God.” -Mariett Louw
“When a woman has a Jezebel Spirit she has first of all been Satanically seduced herself. Lets go back to the garden. The serpent came to Eve. He seduced Eve, then he used Eve to seduce Adam…” Jacob Prasch
The use of slandering women with having or operating under a ‘Jezebel spirit’ has been around for ages. Having been personally a past recipient of this smear campaign that…
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